Just Released - Duroflex Control Arms and Durotrack Track Bars

[Metalcloak]

For those of you who know Metalcloak, this will be our first post on the forum... and it is our favorite type of post... we just released Control Arms and Track Bars for the Grenadier!

Featuring our exclusive, award winning, patented Duroflex high misalignment vibration dampening bushings and our patented Durotrak equipped Track Bars.

To see the full line-up, click here: https://metalcloak.com/ineos-grenadier.html

For those not familiar with Metalcoak, we invite you to visit our YouTube channel and check out the vids or give us a call at 916-631-8071 and our team will be happy to help you learn more about us and our plans for the Grenadier.

 

[Shroomy]

For those of you who know Metalcloak, this will be our first post on the forum... and it is our favorite type of post... we just released Control Arms and Track Bars for the Grenadier!

Featuring our exclusive, award winning, patented Duroflex high misalignment vibration dampening bushings and our patented Durotrak equipped Track Bars.

To see the full line-up, click here: https://metalcloak.com/ineos-grenadier.html
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For those not familiar with Metalcoak, we invite you to visit our YouTube channel and check out the vids or give us a call at 916-631-8071 and our team will be happy to help you learn more about us and our plans for the Grenadier.

Just in time to put on my Christmas List! Awesome News.

 

[angstorms]

Look great.. nice start to a solid suspension package.

 

[Metalcloak]

Look great.. nice start to a solid suspension package.

Thank you. Suspension system will be next up... including our RockSport Blacks.

 

[angstorms]

Thank you. Suspension system will be next up... including our RockSport Blacks.

That is great to hear, do you think you will also have to develop a bracket for adjusting caster and pinion angle like you do on the JK Jeeps or the fact you have adjustable upper and lower arms you do not need this.

 

[Metalcloak]

That is great to hear, do you think you will also have to develop a bracket for adjusting caster and pinion angle like you do on the JK Jeeps or the fact you have adjustable upper and lower arms you do not need this.

Thank you. Since we have adjustable upper and lower, that solves the caster problem. But we may bring out another option in the future.

 

[TCMColorado]

The adjustable arms will enable just about any amount of caster but adding caster will increase the already marginal CV angles of the front drive shaft. So in reality the ability to add caster for better highway tracking is quite limited until there is a solution to the drive shaft issue. This applies whether the suspension is stock or lifted. And a cardan style shaft with a single cardan on one end and a double on the other is not going to do the job. The single cardan would be mounted at the pinion end and to run without vibration it would be necessary to align the pinon to be parallel with the shaft and doing this via the adjustable arms would likely zero out the caster or even make it negative. Solving the prop shaft issue will require a high angle CV style replacement or a vibration free double double cardan shaft which in practice is very hard to acheive. There are a couple of double double shaft setups here on the forum which decouples the need for a particular pinion alginment allowing for caster optimization, but the owners/builders admit that vibrations are an issue even with the double double configuration. The reality is that lifting the front of the Grenadier more than about 1.5"/38mm cannot be fully optimized even with adjustable arms. The true solution would be a cut and turn of the axle ends so that the steering axis is rotated in relation to the pinon.

 

[[ Adam ]]

I don't see sway bar disconnects...

 

[C-Mack]

The adjustable arms will enable just about any amount of caster but adding caster will increase the already marginal CV angles of the front drive shaft. So in reality the ability to add caster for better highway tracking is quite limited until there is a solution to the drive shaft issue. This applies whether the suspension is stock or lifted. And a cardan style shaft with a single cardan on one end and a double on the other is not going to do the job. The single cardan would be mounted at the pinion end and to run without vibration it would be necessary to align the pinon to be parallel with the shaft and doing this via the adjustable arms would likely zero out the caster or even make it negative. Solving the prop shaft issue will require a high angle CV style replacement or a vibration free double double cardan shaft which in practice is very hard to acheive. There are a couple of double double shaft setups here on the forum which decouples the need for a particular pinion alginment allowing for caster optimization, but the owners/builders admit that vibrations are an issue even with the double double configuration. The reality is that lifting the front of the Grenadier more than about 1.5"/38mm cannot be fully optimized even with adjustable arms. The true solution would be a cut and turn of the axle ends so that the steering axis is rotated in relation to the pinon.

It would be nice to see actual alignment specifications and pinion angle measurements done by suspension vendors on the vehicles they have built adjustable parts for to provide some efficacy. In other words, share some real world data so customers can gauge if the amount of correction they need is even possible for their planned mods such as with different spring heights, etc…

I agree, on the Grenny it would be difficult to correct for caster fully (without axle modifications) as caster/pinion angles fight against each other when you adjust the arms fore or aft to rotate the axle. Hence the importance of being able to see actual alignment specification after the arms are installed and adjusted. I’d be very impressed and have added confidence in any vendor sharing this sort of data up front with customers so they can make an informed purchase decision. Even if the arms can’t fully correct for all the important angles at least customers can learn what (best) possible adjustment scenarios are for a given ride height.

 

[TCMColorado]

It would be nice to see actual alignment specifications and pinion angle measurements done by suspension vendors on the vehicles they have built adjustable parts for to provide some efficacy. In other words, share some real world data so customers can gauge if the amount of correction they need is even possible for their planned mods such as with different spring heights, etc…

I agree, on the Grenny it would be difficult to correct for caster fully (without axle modifications) as caster/pinion angles fight against each other when you adjust the arms fore or aft to rotate the axle. Hence the importance of being able to see actual alignment specification after the arms are installed and adjusted. I’d be very impressed and have added confidence in any vendor sharing this sort of data up front with customers so they can make an informed purchase decision. Even if the arms can’t fully correct for all the important angles at least customers can learn what (best) possible adjustment scenarios are for a given ride height.

I agree on the need for more data. Suspension lifts and the associate components fee like they are still in their infancy for the Grenadier.