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INEOS Automotive statement on the US tariffs announcement

INEOS Automotive statement on the US tariffs announcement



We are outraged that the tariff situation with the US has been neglected by the EU.



President Trump has been very clear on his intention to implement tariffs on the auto industry. He has been asking for fairness and reciprocity and yet European leaders have not come to the table to negotiate a better solution.



The US government has also been clear about the consequences of non-engagement. This should be a surprise to no-one in the EU, and it could and should have been averted.



Lynn Calder, CEO of INEOS Automotive commented: “This is what happens when politicians sit on their hands. As a growing EU-based automobile brand, we are vulnerable to tariffs, and we need our politicians to support our business, our jobs and our economies. We need urgent and direct political intervention on tariffs.



“We will give whatever support we can to our political leaders to keep the playing field even for small, competitive brands such as Grenadier. But we must see action from EU politicians: only they are in a position to address the issue. Fortunately, we have been planning for tariffs but there is only so much we can do to protect US customers from price rises.”
 
The best way to "win" with Trump is to kiss his ass. This is Ineos trying to win by appearing to take Trump's side and blaming EU leaders for not engaging with Trump. If you can look yourself in the mirror, this is probably the best strategy Ineos could have taken.
Exactly my thoughts.
They are just saying that they are going to have a price increase and it isn't their fault.
If you are a Tariff supporter then they have blamed the EU in the first paragraph
If you are not then they have blamed the tariffs.
Either way they are having a price increase.
 
Sir Jim has been planning for what? Interesting to watch and please don't believe everything you think.



EXTRACT from IA announcement on tarrifs
We will give whatever support we can to our political leaders to keep the playing field even for small, competitive brands such as Grenadier. But we must see action from EU politicians: only they are in a position to address the issue. Fortunately, we have been planning for tariffs but there is only so much we can do to protect US customers from price rises.”






INEOS makes major $1.4 billion acquisition of US onshore ...​

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https://www.ineos.com › news › ineos-group › ineos-m...




21 Feb 2023 — The deal marks INEOS Energy's entry as operator into the US onshore oil and gas market, as it acquires 2,300 wells, producing net 36,000 BOED.

US Operations​

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INEOS Energy US Onshore. The key focus for the US onshore business is to safely and efficiently acquire, explore, and develop properties to produce natural ...
 
Why does Ineos communicates such a statement? Has anyone asked for it? Or is there an exit strategy ahead? There must always be a scapegoat to blame...

AWo
I think it’s brilliant. - they are creating room for a back door exemption, if that is at all possible. They are also probably working the “tough billionaire businessman” angle w Ratcliffe, which Trump would inevitably find sympathetic. I would be going hard on the Ratcliffe angle, “incompetent Brussels bureaucrat” angle, alpha male tank angle - all of it. Maybe even dangle prospects (without committing) of future production in the US (close to the BMW plant in South Carolina, as I’ve mentioned before). Ineos gains nothing by posing as EU victims - they are playing it smart.
 
I think it’s brilliant. they are playing it smart.

I don't have a crystal ball but plenty of time to wait and see...Interesting (y)




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Ineos
https://www.ineos.com › news › ineos-group › ineos-m...




21 Feb 2023 — The deal marks INEOS Energy's entry as operator into the US onshore oil and gas market, as it acquires 2,300 wells, producing net 36,000 BOED.

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Ineos
https://www.ineos.com › ineos-energy › oil-and-gas › u...




INEOS Energy US Onshore. The key focus for the US onshore business is to safely and efficiently acquire, explore, and develop properties to produce natural ..
 
My understanding is that the tariff is on the percent of inputs of the individual car. Below are the first 25 cars on that list. The source is: https://kogod.american.edu/autoindex/2024 Take a look at the much longer source list. A Pathfinder his more domestic than a Ford Explorer. Turns out my last Bronco was only 45% domestic. That's going to earn it a 11.25% tariff even though it is "make in America". These tariff's are a negotiation tool and will not last.

RankCarlineTotal Domestic ContentManufacturersMakes
1Model 3 Performance87.5TeslaTesla
2Model Y Long Range85TeslaTesla
2Model Y85TeslaTesla
3Cybertruck82.5TeslaTesla
4Model S80TeslaTesla
4Model X80TeslaTesla
4Mustang GT AT80Ford Motor CompanyFord
4Mustang GT 5.0L80Ford Motor CompanyFord
4Mustang GT Coupe Premium80Ford Motor CompanyFord
5Passport AWD76.5Honda Motor Co., Ltd.Honda
5Passport Trailsport76.5Honda Motor Co., Ltd.Honda
6Wrangler Rubicon76StellantisJeep
6Wrangler Sahara76StellantisJeep
7ID.4 AWD 82KWH75.5VolkswagenVolkswagen
7Colorado 2.7L75.5General Motors LLCChevrolet
7Canyon 4WD AT4 Crew Cab75.5General Motors LLCGMC
7Canyon Denali 4WD Crew Cab75.5General Motors LLCGMC
7Colorado LT Crew Cab 2WD 2.7L75.5General Motors LLCChevrolet
7Colorado Z71 Crew Cab 4WD 2.7L75.5General Motors LLCChevrolet
8ID.4 RWD 62KWH74.5VolkswagenVolkswagen
9ID.4 RWD 82KWH74VolkswagenVolkswagen
9Odyssey All74Honda Motor Co., Ltd.Honda
9Ridgeline74Honda Motor Co., Ltd.Honda
9Pilot All74Honda Motor Co., Ltd.Honda
10Corsair73.5Ford Motor CompanyLincoln
11Air73Lucid MotorsLucid
11Mustang GT MT73Ford Motor CompanyFord
12Corvette Z0672.5General Motors LLCChevrolet
12Camaro 1LS Coupe Turbo72.5General Motors LLCChevrolet
13TX 35071.5ToyotaLexus
13RDX All71.5Honda Motor Co., Ltd.Acura
13Accord 1.5T Sport SE71.5Honda Motor Co., Ltd.Honda
13Accord 2.0T TRG71.5Honda Motor Co., Ltd.Honda
13TLX All other71.5Honda Motor Co., Ltd.Acura
13Integra A-Spec71.5Honda Motor Co., Ltd.Acura
14Model 3 RWD70TeslaTesla
14Corvette Sting Ray70General Motors LLCChevrolet
15Malibu LS, LT69.5General Motors LLCChevrolet
15XT469.5General Motors LLCCadillac
16K569Kia MotorsKia
16Sorento69Kia MotorsKia
16CR-V 1.5T FWD EXL69Honda Motor Co., Ltd.Honda
16CR-V 1.5T AWD LX69Honda Motor Co., Ltd.Honda
16Civic 5DR69Honda Motor Co., Ltd.Honda
16Integra69Honda Motor Co., Ltd.Acura
16CT569General Motors LLCCadillac
16CT469General Motors LLCCadillac
17Tahoe 4WD LT 3.0 L Turbo Diesel68.5General Motors LLCChevrolet
17Escalade68.5General Motors LLCCadillac
17Suburban 4WD Premier 6.2L V-868.5General Motors LLCGMC
17Yukon 4WD Denali 6.2L68.5General Motors LLCChevrolet
17Silverado Crew 4WD 3.0L TD STD Box68.5General Motors LLCGMC
18Hummer EV68General Motors LLCChevrolet
19Model 3 Long Range67.5TeslaTesla
20Camry SE AWD67ToyotaToyota
21ES 25066.5ToyotaLexus
21ES 35066.5ToyotaToyota
21Tundra66.5ToyotaToyota
21Sportage EX FWD66.5Kia MotorsKia
21Sportage X-Line AWD66.5Kia MotorsKia
21Santa Cruz66.5Hyundai Motor CompanyHyundai
22F 150 2.7L, 5.0, 5.2L66Ford Motor CompanyFord
22Mustang GT 2.3L66Ford Motor CompanyFord
22Escape 2.0L66Ford Motor CompanyFord
23Camaro 1LT, 2LT, 3LT Auto65.5General Motors LLCChevrolet
23XT565.5General Motors LLCCadillac
23XT665.5General Motors LLCCadillac
24Highlander64.5ToyotaToyota
24Durango GT Plus AWD64.5StellantisDodge
24MDX AWD64.5Honda Motor Co., Ltd.Acura
25Sequoia Hybrid64ToyotaToyota
25Tundra Hybrid64ToyotaToyota
25Wrangler Rubicon 4xe64StellantisJeep
25Gladiator Mohave 3.6L64StellantisJeep
25Gladiator Willys 4x464StellantisJeep
25Wrangler Willys 4xe64StellantisJeep
25Pathfinder64Nissan North America, IncNissan
25Tuscon FWD VIN=1,4,564Hyundai Motor CompanyHyundai
25Tucson AWD64Hyundai Motor CompanyHyundai
Its strange how different that list is than the one on the NHTSA.gov website: https://www.nhtsa.gov/part-583-american-automobile-labeling-act-reports
 
I think most of you are missing the point of these tariffs; this is not Trump 45 who is making it up on the run cutting deals here and there, Trump 47 is embarking on a complete ideological restructure of the US tax system and is moving the taxation base from income to tariffs (effectively from income to consumption). There will be no exemptions for traditional allies like Canada, the UK or Australia or his business buddies like Jim Ratcliffe. The whole idea of this process is to lift the prices of all goods and reduce the level of income and company tax, thus shifting more of the tax burden from companies and high net worth individuals to the average Joe. Its a deluded plan which will be very messy for the next President to unpick, but the upside is all vehicles will be rising in price to some extent so no one manufacturer will be majorly disadvantaged.
 
I think most of you are missing the point of these tariffs; this is not Trump 45 who is making it up on the run cutting deals here and there, Trump 47 is embarking on a complete ideological restructure of the US tax system and is moving the taxation base from income to tariffs (effectively from income to consumption). There will be no exemptions for traditional allies like Canada, the UK or Australia or his business buddies like Jim Ratcliffe. The whole idea of this process is to lift the prices of all goods and reduce the level of income and company tax, thus shifting more of the tax burden from companies and high net worth individuals to the average Joe. Its a deluded plan which will be very messy for the next President to unpick, but the upside is all vehicles will be rising in price to some extent so no one manufacturer will be majorly disadvantaged.
You just described a major cause of inflation.
 
I think most of you are missing the point of these tariffs; this is not Trump 45 who is making it up on the run cutting deals here and there, Trump 47 is embarking on a complete ideological restructure of the US tax system and is moving the taxation base from income to tariffs (effectively from income to consumption). There will be no exemptions for traditional allies like Canada, the UK or Australia or his business buddies like Jim Ratcliffe. The whole idea of this process is to lift the prices of all goods and reduce the level of income and company tax, thus shifting more of the tax burden from companies and high net worth individuals to the average Joe. Its a deluded plan which will be very messy for the next President to unpick, but the upside is all vehicles will be rising in price to some extent so no one manufacturer will be majorly disadvantaged.
Is this crystal ball stuff or have been chatting to Albo? 😊
 
Heavy tariff plan #1: they are a long term tax reduction tool (as @Shopkeep suggests)

I think this is unlikely. The USA administration seems staffed with fresh amateurs and they're making a lot of mistakes. Oh man, what a week. Seeing through long term tariffs like this will take patience and confidence in economic theory. And competence. Objectively, these qualities are lacking.

Heavy tariff theory #2: they are a short term tool to wake up the world and offer the USA more favourable terms in trade and military cost sharing

This seems much more likely IMO. It's just a poker bluff. Any administration full of amateurs can bumble through this short term until countries come to the table and renegotiate. And it'll probably work to the USA's favour to some degree. And to the degree it works, Donald will claim 200% victory and put that feather in his cap.
 
Well I put a deposit down this week with a USA dealer and now I’m being told by another dealer the incentives are being withdrawn on 24’s after march. So I’ll be out on my deal if the $7500 I qualified for goes away. I can’t close my deal until I return from travel. What fun.
 
I’m less
I think most of you are missing the point of these tariffs; this is not Trump 45 who is making it up on the run cutting deals here and there, Trump 47 is embarking on a complete ideological restructure of the US tax system and is moving the taxation base from income to tariffs (effectively from income to consumption). There will be no exemptions for traditional allies like Canada, the UK or Australia or his business buddies like Jim Ratcliffe. The whole idea of this process is to lift the prices of all goods and reduce the level of income and company tax, thus shifting more of the tax burden from companies and high net worth individuals to the average Joe. It’s a deluded plan which will be very messy for the next President to unpick, but the upside is all vehicles will be rising in price to some extent so no one manufacturer will be majorly disadvantaged.
I’m not so positive about that - I think he’s way more transactional and more concerned with legacy - that he “cracked down and got a good deal for America.” Negotiating 101 - destabilize the status quo. Almost inevitably, you get more than what you had before. And I think the ego and personality absolutely leaves rooms for exemptions. There is certainly a bigger policy play - but this seems more like a marriage of convenience with 47 - as long as he “gets a good deal and America is treated fairly,” that’s a win. I dunno - I don’t think any of us knows.
 
However, interesting that BREXIT-Lover Jim Ratcliffe now asks European politicians for help while blaming them (while having the holding located in Switzerland for tax reasons).

AWo
 
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However, interesting that BREXIT-Lover Jim Ratcliffe now asks European politicians for help while blaming them (while having the holding located in Switzerland for tax reasons).

AWo
"This is what happens when politicians sit on their hands. As a growing EU-based automobile brand, we are vulnerable to tariffs"
I also find the argument difficult. As far as I know, INEOS has its HQ in the UK, which is outside the EU.
 
The HQ's are in Rolle, Switzerland and London. But the holding is in Switzerland. He left the UK a few years ago just to return with some companies back to the UK.

AWo
 
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