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yeah, I got a little over excited.the banter on forums is just exhausting...
Few are going to change their opinions based on the experts here.
yeah, I got a little over excited.the banter on forums is just exhausting...
Few are going to change their opinions based on the experts here.
Indeed the curtain airbags are the same at both sides, but ...Wouldn’t the passenger handle be just as dangerous to the passenger as there is a passenger airbag as well? are u making stuff up?
To be fair, some of the conversations that have come from US Ineos personnel are at odds with what is coming from the rest of the AI world or what is currently known. (7 seat model coming et al) I have no idea why we all don't have driver handles.Actually my post is based on a conversation I had with folks at Ineos.
Quit acting like a clown.
Also, your statement that drivers come closer to the windshield is factually incorrect,
the passenger bag is larger
I disagree that installation of the handle on the DS is not an issue, as the IA engineer in this thread has already said, and IA USA have confirmed it is, due to unbelted passive restraint testing.due to the distance of the bag from the occupant, contact time should be equal assuming both passenger and driver are approx the same weight. The curtain airbag unrolls in a downward direction and has no contact with the drivers bag as it follows the window line so installing a handle in this position should not be an issue. I have questioned this with IA APAC and they did not have a definitive answer.
What is this "unbelted passive restraint " you speak of?I'm not sure you are correct here. To be clear, I was told that it had to do with unbelted driver passive restraint - not movement of the driver towards the windshield.
I should have been more clear on that.
This I believe is the crux of why there is no handle on the DS. The difference between size and location of the front airbags on DS and PS.
I disagree that installation of the handle on the DS is not an issue, as the IA engineer in this thread has already said, and IA USA have confirmed it is, due to unbelted passive restraint testing.
Thanks for sharing - this method makes plenty of sense and is doable for certain. I'm a bit OCD and the lack of covers would get to me and if I 3D-printed them, the color mismatch would bug me too. I know, I'm mental. I would probably take the pass side covers and put on driver side since I'd see that everyday and let plan B sit on the passenger side.There is no difference in the sides. The reason for no grab handle on the drivers side is possible field of view impacts. There are a few vehicles in Aus now with the grab handle fitted to the drivers side. My wife and I were lucky to be able to test it in someone else's car for field of vision at the recent SEQLD Owners get together. My wife being shorter than me finds it significantly easier to get in with it, and neither of us found it gets in the way of vision.
You can get if fitted by a dealer if you so wish. The small trims are amazingly expensive so you can just buy the handle part and the screws are exceptional value. The mounting blocks and all the pieces are identical to the left side ... what you can do is creatively cut the cutouts on the A pillar trim to fit the handle. I did it using tracing paper roughly modelling the cutout from the left side to the rights side, then a couple of hole saw holds and chewing out just the clearance for the handle. A couple of hours beginning to end last night.
Parts:
Did away with the covers - and I am looking at 3D Scan/Print of my left hand side pair (which are mirror image parts so a scan of one might be enough and then flip it in CAD)
- Grab Handle (universal) GRA-07000-022530 was AUD$266 (makes the 78 Euro someone posted earlier look like a real bargain)
- The two screws GRA-0000-000150 were $1.56
Handle fit from the underside - (original handle, manufacturer original cutout LHD pillar in Aus): shows quite a lot of clearance on both pieces (the little spigots are different sizes at each end - and the bigger one is obscured by the metal plate on the right)
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Old school with the tracing paper and a highlight to show you where the pencil lead traced onto, and the end result with the two pieces side by side (it didn't have to be perfect I just nibbled enough out after the hole saw cuts to get the handle to fit).
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You have to stick your head past the wheel to see the missing covers (or look through the windscreen) - so I poked the iPhone in there and took this slightly out of focus shot: (And for the curious folks, that's a Safety Dave caravan reversing camera monitor sitting next to it - just shuffled a little further in).
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Cheers all.
Then it makes no sense as this only applies to US delived vehicles.Airbags and seat belts are considered passive restraints.
FMVSS 208 requires a unbelted passive restraint (air bag) crash test, as illustrated in the video I linked above.
I don't know that only the US requires the test, I simply know that the US does require the test.Then it makes no sense as this only applies to US delived vehicles.
Airbags are hardly "passive" , seat belts I can understand, but I guess that's a local terminology.
Well ain’t it nice that (1) someone invented Venmo, (2) there is international shipping, and (3) this is an international forumThis is pretty standard practice for virtually all brands at this point, so it is unlikely that it will change. From having to deal with acquiring special order parts from Europe for vehicles in the past (I spent just shy of 2 decades in the European automotive aftermarket/service world), it is anything but simple and straight forward, and usually just not worth it for the brand/dealer to get involved unfortunately
Do you want my address so you can buy me oneWell ain’t it nice that (1) someone invented Venmo, (2) there is international shipping, and (3) this is an international forum
We’re both in the USDo you want my address so you can buy me one
I'll just use your Venmo, it'll be fineWe’re both in the US
Are you related to my good friend who is a prince in Nigeria? I'll send you my bank account info prontoI'll just use your Venmo, it'll be fine
I was in the same conversation with a very knowledgeable person at Ineos and I assure you that Adam is telling God's honest truth. They could not get the approval to sell the Grenadier because it would not have passed the crash testing with the handle in place. Due to the way that an unrestrained crash test dummy / human body in the driver's seat behaved during the testing, as specifically related to the driver's side airbag, steering wheel and the grab handle, so it was removed.if u re-read his post, he said that the air bag on the a pillar was an issue when it deploys,...this positioned is not settled. there are other post/threads on this same topic that states the airbag was not an issue. so my ask is valid, are you making this up? then u started the personal insults...with regards to not understanding driver vs passenger side then now with my simple world view. as i said, if other manufacturers have figure how to solve this issue, its reasonable to expect Ineos to solve this as well..
if the OP was insultled, i will aplogize to the OP, mano a mano. But Adam, you on the other hand, are just just hating me without being slighted by me.
I need it too, but after the conversation, I have decided to just use the steering wheel like I have been doing. I know it's not good for the steering wheel head.i just want a driver side handle because im short, fat and not very athletic. i need the assist...