Gearbox sump pan cracked and cant select neutral

[Trialmaster]

Hi Unfortunately it is not all sorted.
The only help so far is that from the forum in enabling me to release the vehicle allowing it to be transported to southern Spain.
Neutralised the gearbox and disconnected the rear prop shaft.
Thank you all.

Spoke to Ineos CS team now 3 times.
They are utterly useless and haven’t offered any solutions as to how to get to a dealership, which dealership best to go to, ship the gearbox part to the appropriate location, etc, etc.
They also gave me the an European assistance number 00800 33228877 which is apparently the AA Ducati number!!

Has anyone any experience of getting a major issue dealt with abroad and essentially in southern Spain?
Obviously doesn’t help being Easter but there is the dealership in Malaga and service dealership in Seville as being the nearest.
Does anyone know which one would be best to approach??

Thanks again for your help.

Paul - suggest you message Logsplitter I know he has had to contact INEOS for help while in Africa.

 

[Catpaw4x4]

Thanks for all your comments and suggestions.
Disconnected rear prop shaft and neutral screw and car free wheeled off trailer in park.
Just got to get into Europe on the back of a new trailer in the morning and then long lug home via hopefully Ineos AA.
Ordered new transmission sump tray already so hopefully back in shape before end of next week.
Will be investing in further underbody protection before next trip1

My independent mechanic commented when the vehicle was on the lift for her first oil change at how well the engine was built/protect except for a "bare ass" area of no protection /plastic covering that a stick could puncture and leave you totally stranded in the back country!!

 

[Stu_Barnes]

Late to the game here. But the gearbox filter pan is a generic ZF 8HP unit as far as I can tell. And the fluid is lifeguard 8. You can get this part at any dealer that has these installed to their vehicles, it’s extremely common.

ZF 8HP transmission - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The gearbox is incredibly sensitive to fluid level. Too low and it won’t shift at all. I can provide the LR instructions for changing the fluid and pan if you like.
The only thing that may be different off the top of my head is the thermostat opening temperature. Maybe @anand can get this info for us quicker than I can.

Edit. Here is a link to the info on a parts site. It’s accurate from my experience.

How To Change The Oil In A ZF 8-Speed Transmission

ZF and their transmissions, both automatic and manual, have always been a favorite of European automakers. Their most recent longitudinal automatic transmission offering, the 8HP, continues their success with one of the most talked-about automatic gearboxes in an era full of CVTs and DCTs. From...

www.fcpeuro.com

 

[Tazzieman]

I hope the guy can get this sorted asap. None of us ever want to be in thus situation.
On a related note , do we think an alloy sump would be a better investment than a sump guard?

 

[bigleonski]

I hope the guy can get this sorted asap. None of us ever want to be in thus situation.
On a related note , do we think an alloy sump would be a better investment than a sump guard?

And would an aluminum sump be any stronger than a plastic one in terms of taking a hit?

 

[Stu_Barnes]

And would an aluminum sump be any stronger than a plastic one in terms of taking a hit?

There’s a aftermarket steel version that the ford guys use with a separate filter. But then you have issues with the gasketing and getting a good seal. My long term preference will be for some steel protection covering the original pan.

When I saw there was no protection of the gearbox sump it was one of those “what were you guys smoking when you decided to do this” moments when I saw the pto vehicles on the ramps.

 

[Tazzieman]

There’s a aftermarket steel version that the ford guys use with a separate filter. But then you have issues with the gasketing and getting a good seal. My long term preference will be for some steel protection covering the original pan

A knight with armour, as opposed to just a strong heart!

 

[Shaky]

I have said it before, but the worst offender for trying to sabotage the Ineos Grenadier being a success is Ineos themselves !!

I am sure that Mr Ratcliffe would be one of only a few deemed to be worthy of a flying spanner if he broke down on one of his African adventures, but I am sure he wouldn’t be very happy if he realised other were being left stranded. Especially after the promises and past marketing.

It’s a crying shame, I will say however Logsplitter does seem to have had a better experience than the OP.

 

[Catpaw4x4]

A knight with armour, as opposed to just a strong heart!

At present, the Knight has no armour ... perhaps better than the Emperor with no clothes?

 

[Tazzieman]

At present, the Knight has no armour ... perhaps better than the Emperor with no clothes?

This is what we need.
In fact it could be the forum's theme tune!

View: https://youtu.be/EiC1NK3sWxM?si=6KOWlS_ew7-YKc1D

 

[Clark Kent]

I hope the guy can get this sorted asap. None of us ever want to be in thus situation.
On a related note , do we think an alloy sump would be a better investment than a sump guard?

I'm not a materials engineer, but at these thicknesses it's likely that cast alloy or pressed steel have a similar yield strength to glass reinforced plastic. Up to a point plastic will yield then return to its original shape. Steel sheet and cast alloy deform and crack.
These guys sell an alloy pan but their selling points are better cooling plus cost saving due to the replaceable filter. I want to think if they had objective evidence that alloy was stronger than plastic in this application they would market on that point (their lawyers probably told them not to).

Body crumple zones exist to keep impact loads out of the cabin. Perhaps part of ZF's thinking is if an impact likely to cause damage is going to occur, the plastic pan takes one for the team to save the valve body and main housing.

 

[Tazzieman]

Body crumble zones exist to keep impact loads out of the cabin. Perhaps part of ZF's thinking is if an impact likely to cause damage is going to occur, the plastic pan takes one for the team to save the valve body and main housing.

Which is my thinking -external armour is best at protecting the soft underparts.
A bt more weight to carry around for sure .Tradeoffs every where in 4x4 land.

 

[Stu_Barnes]

For comparison.



Discovery/LR 4 engine and gearbox shielding.



Gearbox shielding.

 

[Shaky]

I seem to remember a post on the forum where a company had developed a whole under body protection system for the IG.

May well be useful to add it here for the real serious off roaders amongst us.

 

[Tazzieman]

I seem to remember a post on the forum where a company had developed a whole under body protection system for the IG.

May well be useful to add it here for the real serious off roaders amongst us.

4x4 Outdoor Tuning :: SPP Industries, engine and transmission protection plate for Ineos Grenadier

Enhance your Ineos Grenadier's off-road prowess with the custom-fit Aluminium underbody protection by SPP Industries, Germany. Engineered for durability and a sleek design, this underbody protection offers robust protection for your vehicle's engine

www.4x4outdoortuning.com.au

 

[Clark Kent]

Which is my thinking -external armour is best at protecting the soft underparts.
A bt more weight to carry around for sure Tradeoffs everyhwhere in 4x4 land.

Ben Foster agrees...

 

[Tom109]

4x4 Outdoor Tuning :: SPP Industries, engine and transmission protection plate for Ineos Grenadier

Enhance your Ineos Grenadier's off-road prowess with the custom-fit Aluminium underbody protection by SPP Industries, Germany. Engineered for durability and a sleek design, this underbody protection offers robust protection for your vehicle's engine

www.4x4outdoortuning.com.au

I’m tempted to go protection plate over standard ZF sump.

 

[[ Adam ]]

I’m tempted to go protection plate over standard ZF sump.

I think we agree - I'd leave the factory plastic in place and go for a plate over it.

 

[anand]

The only thing that may be different off the top of my head is the thermostat opening temperature. Maybe @anand can get this info for us quicker than I can.

I'll see if I can source this value

 

[chrsbe]

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