The one thing I’ve learned about car pricing between world markets is never a direct comparison. I’m regularly surprised by even the inexplicable differences between US and Canadian pricing (Canada is often less expensive). The numbers above are as accurate as any I’ve come up with. High $60s all the way to $85k with a bunch of options. I will never complain about what we pay in the US versus other markets. I am often jealous however, of the variety of choices available in other (European) markets. We will not be rewarded for our early interest in the grenadier though. We will have to pay the big price increases from Nov 2022. Inflation is real
It sounds like you are an American customer who sent in the $450 reservation fee back in the early days (toward the end of 2021). If so, then you and I are in the same position. Unfortunately, there has been no indication from Ineos that American customers will be spared the inflation-related price increase. European and Australian customers who sent in the $450 reservation fee, and then the $2,500 non-refundable deposit a few months ago, went "under contract" at the time of sending in the $2,500 deposit. Those are the only customers - as far as we know - who are being spared the price increase. No American customers are under contract, we just have reservations, and these are refundable.
Pricing has not been announced for the American market. Until it is, we won't know anything for sure. Like you said - I would guess that we will be facing a significant price increase.
On a personal note, I've got some reasons for getting a new vehicle soon, rather than on an unknown time-line, so I am shopping now, and am close to putting down a deposit. If the Grenadier comes in at a good price, I will buy one. If it is "over-priced" (by my own personal estimation) I will not. By some estimates, American customers are looking at a 14% price increase over the initial deliveries soon to be underway in Europe and Australia. There is no vehicle in this class, and roughly the size of a Jeep Wrangler / Toyota 4-Runner, that I would pay close to $100,000 (U.S. Dollars) for. That's just me - other folk will make different decisions.
The Grenadier looks like it is going to be a fantastic vehicle, and great at what it was intended to do. But from my perspective, it has some limitations, and it just isn't worth $80,000 - $95,000 (U.S. Dollars) - not when there are other vehicles to choose from that do some things better - and other things worse - but at a better price. So based on one's individual needs / wants, there are other options. These three are all body-on-frame vehicles, with solid front and rear axles, and true 4-wheel drive systems with a manually engaged low-range - like the Grenadier:
(1) Jeep Wrangler: less capability in payload and towing, but more wheel articulation when using the front anti-sway bar disconnect (which also increases comfort off-road); 33 or 35-inch tires from the factory with a full-size spare and appropriate gearing; multiple after-market differential lockers (if you don't want the factory e-lockers); and you are out the door at a much lower price. There are multiple - and now well-tested - superchargers to boost performance on the 3.6 Pentastar to somewhere around 360 horsepower and 360 lb. ft. of torque (staying within safe limits of the Pentastar architecture), and these run ~$8,000 installed, which would still bring you in well-under the price of the Grenadier -
if we get the 14% price increase. Manual transmission are available, all models have a manual transfer case, and the autos use the same ZF 8-speed as the Grenadier. Heated steering wheel is available.
(2) Jeep Gladiator: there is a diesel option for North America (unlike with the Grenadier) making 260 horsepower, and 442 lb. ft. of torque; more cargo capacity in volume; after-market options to increase practical payload (though not legal payload); the easy addition of 35 or 37 inch tires; readily available gears (unlike with the Grenadier) so one can accommodate larger tires by moving to 4.10 (for the diesel) or 4.56 or 4.88 or 5.13 for the gas version; again - better articulation than a Grenadier; and multiple after-market differential lockers. After modifications, you've got a massively capable off-road rig, an outstanding overlander, and still priced under the high-end estimate for the Grenadier -
if we get the 14% price increase. Manual transmission available with the gas engine, all models have a manual transfer case; the gas autos use the same ZF 8-speed as the gas Grenadier, while the diesel Gladiator gets the same ZF 8-speed as the diesel version of the Grenadier. Heated steering wheel is available.
(3) Ram Power Wagon: obviously, a vehicle in a different class than the Grenadier, but an excellent off-roader for its size, and an excellent overland vehicle. This is a big truck that will not fit on narrow Jeep trails. But the size is an enormous bonus - if you are looking for more capacity than a "mid-size" wagon (Grenadier, Wrangler, 4-Runner, Bronco). Comes standard with a 6.4 V8 that makes 410 horsepower and 429 lb. ft. of torque, and it sounds great - but it is pretty thirsty. Standard equipment, at no additional charge, includes: front and rear locking differentials, dis-connectable front anti-sway bar, steel bumpers, and a front mounted 12,000-pound electric winch. Payload is not great - around 1,600 pounds if you stay away from options like the big glass sunroof. A super-easy modification can be made to bring payload up to 2,000 pounds, by swapping out the rear springs for aftermarket versions. The Power Wagon only comes with an auto transmission - the same beefy version of the ZF 8-speed as found in the diesel Grenadier. Starting price is $68,625 but you get all the off-road kit at this price. Almost all options are comfort and safety upgrades - and a heated steering wheel is available.
Some folks are going to misinterpret this post, and assume I'm hating on the Grenadier. Nothing could be further from the truth. I think the Grenadier is going to be a fantastic vehicle. I wish it were here now. But the delays in production are pushing me past my own personal buying deadline, and the potential price increase might be more than I'm willing to spend for a vehicle in this class. Once again, the test drive date for my region has been postponed (originally scheduled for October 2022, then early 2023, then March 2023, now April 2023). Congrats to all those customers in Europe and Australia who will be getting their vehicles soon, and who are paying the original estimated cost!
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