Local Area Thread Erste längere Anreise

[NoAge Hunter]

So- heutige Anreise nach Wales: Erstes Resumee: klasse Auto, auch für + 12 h im Auto. 600km Autobahn, dann knapp 250 kleine Strassen gefolgt von circa 100 km Greenlaning und BOATs.
Was ist aufgefallen? Die üblichen Gremlins wie lustige Blinkergeräusche in allen Tonlagen und einigen Fehlermeldungen. Aber wichtigere Beobachtungen: Bequem auch nach vielen Stunden, bei konstant 120 circa 12 l/100km, mit reichlich Gewicht im Heck gehts hinten gut 4 cm runter. Autobahn verursacht Windgeräusche, aber das ist bei der Form des KFZ auch kein Wunder. Auf kleinsten Landstrassen sehr agil, wenn auch etwas „weich“ auf der Hinterhand, wenn voll beladen. Bei den BOATs, die teilweise echt kernig waren: da gehört er hin!
Was war noch? Die Stechdose im Heck ist nur bei eingeschalteter Zündung aktiv. Das kann im Sommer doof sein, wenn Fleisch in der Kühlbox ist….werde ich ändern lassen. Die Regelung der Lautstärke (Musik) ist zu grob, die Safarifenster sind Spitze.
Das Beste: nach +12 h Fahrt kann man noch würdig aussteigen

 

[Barney]

Thank you for your report. The socket in the rear has power (that's where I charge the main battery) when the PWR switch in the roof panel is on. But you suck at the starter battery. Ask the MO

Danke für Deinen Bericht. Die Steckdose im Heck hat Strom (darüber lade ich die Hauptbatterie) wenn der PWR Schalter in der Dachpanele on ist. Du saugst aber an der Starterbatterie. Frag das MO

 

[NoAge Hunter]

Thank you for your report. The socket in the rear has power (that's where I charge the main battery) when the PWR switch in the roof panel is on. But you suck at the starter battery. Ask the MO

Danke für Deinen Bericht. Die Steckdose im Heck hat Strom (darüber lade ich die Hauptbatterie) wenn der PWR Schalter in der Dachpanele on ist. Du saugst aber an der Starterbatterie. Frag das MO

Really? Didn‘t know that! Thanks for the Info. Wouldn‘t it be more clever, if it would suck from the second battery? Maybe a stupid question….. well, I think this would be clever. I go out to see if it works with the switch, as you axplained.

 

[Lollo050968]

Really? Didn‘t know that! Thanks for the Info. Wouldn‘t it be more clever, if it would suck from the second battery? Maybe a stupid question….. well, I think this would be clever. I go out to see if it works with the switch, as you axplained.

This question is discussed in another thread, and you need time to read it….

https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/battery-issue-car-dead-in-the-middle-of-the-woods.12412749/

 

[NoAge Hunter]

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Really? Didn‘t know that! Thanks for the Info. Wouldn‘t it be more clever, if it would suck from the second battery? Maybe a stupid question….. well, I think this would be clever. I go out to see if it works with the switch, as you axplained.

It works! Super!

 

[NoAge Hunter]

This question is discussed in another thread, and you need time to read it….

https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/battery-issue-car-dead-in-the-middle-of-the-woods.12412749/

Thanks Lollo, but to be honest : I did read that and was somehow a bit confused. I am sure it is me- but with this „setting“ , the second battery makes not real sense to me. If I got it right, the second battery „helps“ the main only if you connect them „plus“ „plus“ ?! Well, I will ask an expert to exain it to me „at the car“, since elektronic isn‘t really my thing….

 

[Schattenparker]

Thanks Lollo, but to be honest : I did read that and was somehow a bit confused. I am sure it is me- but with this „setting“ , the second battery makes not real sense to me. If I got it right, the second battery „helps“ the main only if you connect them „plus“ „plus“ ?! Well, I will ask an expert to exain it to me „at the car“, since elektronic isn‘t really my thing….

Hi, I Agree, does anybody know about if there are any Plugs in the car that are only supported by the 2nd battery? best Regars, Alex

 

[Lollo050968]

From what the community knows: No!

What I have investigated: My double battery system work like explained by Ineos, and the SMARTPASS charge both batteries, Monitor shows 89%, my separate installed battery monitor on each battery. Shows Backup 100%, Starter 98%….
Will investigate next week while camping how it’s work with freeze and other „consumer“ from roof connection.
The additional battery monitor make an alarm if battery is less than xx%

 

[emax]

If I got it right, the second battery „helps“ the main only if you connect them „plus“ „plus“ ?!

Auf keinen Fall. Dann kannst Du das CTek auch gleich ganz rausschmeißen.

Soweit ich es verstanden habe, können Dauerverbraucher (z.B. Kühlschrank) an den "Load" Ausgang des CTek angeschlossen werden. Das CTek "kümmert" sich dann um die Spannungen, und versorgt die (Dauer-)Lasten aus der Servicebatterie. Wenn die zu schwach wird, wird die Last abgeschaltet - und das Bier wird warm, aber die Servicebatterie geschont.

Beim Start schaltet das CTek nötigenfalls die Servicebatterie zu um die Starterbatterie zu unterstützen.

Das hat INEOS aber nicht so verdrahtet, weil die eben einfach nicht wissen (können), was für uns wichtige und was unwichtige Dauerverbraucher sind. Deshalb ist der "Load" Anschluss nicht belegt. So wie ich das sehe, muss man das nach eigenen Anforderungen umpinnen (lassen) um die genannte Idealkonfiguratioon zu bekommen.

Aber wie immer: Ich kann mich auch irren. Nur wenn man das Handbuch liest (was ich getan habe) und verstanden hat (was ich hoffentlich habe), dann ist das m.E. die Lösung.

Beide Batterie-Pluspole zusammen zu klemmen ist jedenfalls das Falscheste was man machen kann. Man sollte sich nämlich mal fragen, was das CTek dann überhaupt noch soll.

Oder das CTek Handbuch lesen.

 

[emax]

I have created a table to understand the percentage readings of the China monitors.

It is (still) completely fuzzy, because I don't have enough values. But you can already see how much the percentages depend on interpretation. I have taken the volt/DoD figures from the pictures posted here. The columns name the respective sources.

The "INEOS" column is the most complete. I used only the "discharge" values, since the "charge" situations seem to show only what the generator delivers, but not the actual battery voltage. This becomes obvious if you see that the voltage values for charging and discharging are completely different at the same DoD percentage.

But also the discharge values are to be taken with caution, because discharging with 8 amps or with 16 amps results in different voltages (although I consider the difference for such large batteries negligible within this current range).

But as an approximation, it is already clear that the INEOS curve is not linear and, to my understanding, seems to be defined with some thought behind it.

I personally trust the INEOS values the most.

If we collect some more readings here I will add them to the diagram.

For the INEOS readings, only report 'discharge' readings with no more than around 15 Amps.

 

[Lollo050968]

@emax my monitor collect data from 72 days, give them two weeks, including 1 WE camping with extreme discharging. I will share the data here

 

[emax]

I will copy the posting to the general forum. Let's continue there with the diagram and collecting more values.

 

[emax]

The link to continue is here:

https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/battery-issue-car-dead-in-the-middle-of-the-woods.12412749/post-1333204737

 

[emax]

@emax my monitor collect data from 72 days, give them two weeks, including 1 WE camping with extreme discharging. I will share the data hereView attachment 7822798

That's great.

If you have the data as a CSV or free text as well, it would be less work to add it to the table.
I need voltage vs. DoD% tuples.

 

[AWo]

Welche BOAT's seid Ihr in Wales gefahren?

Gab es TRO's? Oder Stress mit Mitbenutzern?

Gruß
AWo

 

[NoAge Hunter]

Welche BOAT's seid Ihr in Wales gefahren?

Gab es TRO's? Oder Stress mit Mitbenutzern?

Gruß
AWo

A few so far…. Using the App „Wikiloc“. In the area around Betws-y-coed, from Dolwyddelan to Capel Curig, Berswycoed to Llangollen. So far no problems with anybody….. most likely because we where allone

 

[AWo]

I recommend to use the Ordnance Survey Explorer maps, on paper or digital with Locus Map, for example. Legal tracks are shown there.

Even better is to become a GLASS member with access to Trailwise2. You can see more information there about all BOAT's etc, their actual state and condition. And more important, you can record the use which helps to keep these lanes open.

Wikiloc is not secure way to use green lanes, as GLASS information isn't available there.

AWo

 

[NoAge Hunter]

I recommend to use the Ordnance Survey Explorer maps, on paper or digital with Locus Map, for example. Legal tracks are shown there.

Even better is to become a GLASS member with access to Trailwise2. You can see more information there about all BOAT's etc, their actual state and condition. And more important, you can record the use which helps to keep these lanes open.

Wikiloc is not secure way to use green lanes, as GLASS information isn't available there.

AWo

Thanks for the tip! Will test it!

 

[AWo]

By becoming a member of the GLASS, you learn the code of conduct which is important not to foil the work of the GLASS to keep the remainng lanes open. You also can get in contact with local represantatives which can help you to orientat in the single areas and to plan. And you gain access to Trailwise2, a complete database of all lanes with their respective status, tipps how to drive and you can enter records of your usage which is important to proof that the lane is used (and it should stay open). You also get the "Green Lane" magazine with reports and stories of lanes and driving them. A good inspiration for planning.

AWo

 

[NoAge Hunter]

By becoming a member of the GLASS, you learn the code of conduct which is important not to foil the work of the GLASS to keep the remainng lanes open. You also can get in contact with local represantatives which can help you to orientat in the single areas and to plan. And you gain access to Trailwise2, a complete database of all lanes with their respective status, tipps how to drive and you can enter records of your usage which is important to proof that the lane is used (and it should stay open). You also get the "Green Lane" magazine with reports and stories of lanes and driving them. A good inspiration for planning.

AWo

Ok- I tried to find that „GLASS“ thing. Do you have a link or something?