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Bull/Roo Bars unsafe?

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I guess to get away from the EUR plastic tea tray of a bumper?..... ;)
In Europe Bullbars are strictly forbidden on any new vehicle registered for on road use. This means . the bar must be removed when entering a public road. That is regulation. No more to comment.
However in the last couple of days offroad I learned to like the big bumper as it redirects a lot of mud spray elsewhere . keeping the front lights nice n clean. So some people might find it ugly - but there are advantages also.
 

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The legal situation in the UK is slightly more muddled. You cannot offer for retail sale any bull bar without formal regulatory approval, they can be fitted as they are not banned, you just cannot buy them legitimately. You can fit a winch bumper, as the use case overrides the conformity requirement, (most ARBs for sale in the UK are winch bumpers), but I would not be willing to try this on with the Grenadier as there is a perfectly workable winch solution without a fancy winch bumper. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/bull-bars/bull-bars

Most police officers do not have the detailed knowledge to separate a legal bar solution from a dubious one, but if you have a fatal road traffic incident, the experts will come out of the cracks to see if your vehicle is up to snuff. At its worst, you could find yourself uninsured, staring personal bankruptcy and a prison sentence in the face.
 

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Are the IG bars offered In Australia powder coated (i.e. not nylon coated as LR did)?

I will certainly find a bullbar for my NA spec Gren. I’ll wait to see what hits the USA market before ordering from Australia. Since we can, I will certainly go for one as strong as possible. Our roo’s (white tail deer) average 150lbs for a male.
 

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Are the IG bars offered In Australia powder coated (i.e. not nylon coated as LR did)?

I will certainly find a bullbar for my NA spec Gren. I’ll wait to see what hits the USA market before ordering from Australia. Since we can, I will certainly go for one as strong as possible. Our roo’s (white tail deer) average 150lbs for a male.
Not exactly sure of the coating, pretty sure not nylon. Looks powder coated, may be painted
 

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Are the IG bars offered In Australia powder coated (i.e. not nylon coated as LR did)?

I will certainly find a bullbar for my NA spec Gren. I’ll wait to see what hits the USA market before ordering from Australia. Since we can, I will certainly go for one as strong as possible. Our roo’s (white tail deer) average 150lbs for a male.
Our big red and Eastern grey kangaroos can get up to 200lbs
 

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Will be getting a Zombie Bar for the zombie apocalypse. Really good for mowing down the zombies. Now the question is how do we get one said Zombie Bar here is the states?
 
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Are the IG bars offered In Australia powder coated (i.e. not nylon coated as LR did)?

I will certainly find a bullbar for my NA spec Gren. I’ll wait to see what hits the USA market before ordering from Australia. Since we can, I will certainly go for one as strong as possible. Our roo’s (white tail deer) average 150lbs for a male.
Powder-coated, correct.
 

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Our big red and Eastern grey kangaroos can get up to 200lbs
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Maybe not to BHP, whose fleet is a TMCA shop and has been for many years - Ineos will never rival Hilux economics.
BHP policy permits non-ANCAP rated light vehicle operation, it just requires a risk assessment be conducted.

One reason BMA BHP and other mining companies started to allow non ANCAP vehicle is due to many of the work utes that have GVM upgrades to accommodate ROPS and tools and meet multiple other site requirements did not meet the BHP BMA compliance and could not be used on their sites. ANCAP testing does not accommodate bull bars, GVM/GVWR upgrades and specific service bodies in their testing. Vehicle compliance, at least in QLD, for mining companies is a pain in the arse as none of the sites or different sites within some companies want to totally standardise the requirements across the industry. Contractors have to spend considerable time and money to have each vehicle and trailer assessed and brake tested every year to meet compliance for each site they work on.
 
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How long before some one in Australia fits a five post Roo Annihilator to their Grenadier?Excessive BBar.jpgRam Bbar.jpgBBar 2.jpg
The Commodore ute and Rams bull bars would now be illegal in most Australian states because the outer posts are not curved like the one on the Land Cruiser.
 
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Our big red and Eastern grey kangaroos can get up to 200lbs
Sorry off-topic.

Alces alces (I'm not going to use the English name to avoid the name discussion) is the largest hazard in Finland and Scandinavia. Adults are 200-700 kg (450-1500 lbs) and the center of gravity is high so there is no bull bar that could fully protect from these.

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the center of gravity is high so there is no bull bar that could fully protect from these.
Yep. Bullbars may deflect the legs but that half-ton+ body just keeps on coming, straight at you.
From a collision POV, a moose is a half-ton barrel of meat hovering 4 feet above the ground.

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Yep. Bullbars may deflect the legs but that half-ton+ body just keeps on coming, straight at you.
From a collision POV, a moose is a half-ton barrel of meat hovering 4 feet above the ground.

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We get something similar up north, 500kg cattle. Not much left @ 120klms/h
 

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Yep. Bullbars may deflect the legs but that half-ton+ body just keeps on coming, straight at you.
From a collision POV, a moose is a half-ton barrel of meat hovering 4 feet above the ground.

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Seen a few Skippys and Emus go through the windscreen of 4x4s and a bull through the front of a bus over the years but Bullwinkle is a whole different level of carnage.
 

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The Roo Bar on the Grenadier has a diameter of 50mm for anyone looking to mount a UHF aerial or sand flag on the bar. Just confirmed by INEOS Australia.

Mine measured 50.17mm and the difference mattered. I ended up with a universal fit after I found the GME 50mm bracket would result in some paint work damage to force it to fit.

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