Auxiliary Lights in the Grill - High Power LED light upgrade without any cutting (now available on the Forum Store)

[Cheshire cat]

Maybe these would work for people wanting halogen bulbs?
Be nice if they fit the INEOS buckets!
Cheap enough to take a flyer on.

Highest wattage in 12v is 100w, though 24v models go up to 450w.

Martek Aircraft 4537 Landing Light Lamp | Aircraft Spruce

Martek Aircraft 4537 Landing Light Lamp Since 1974 Martek Industries Inc. has been a valued supplier of aircraft lighting to the U.S. Defense Department, Naval Air Systems Command (NAV-AIR), and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

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Hi Nuclearbeef
Thanks for the suggestion but surely, if going to the trouble of changing out lamps, one would be looking for something of an improvement over original. Something that throws light a long way or on a wide arc or for penetration in foggy conditions.
Not an expert on landing lights but I imagine them being a far more, blunt tool.

 

[nuclearbeef]

Hi Nuclearbeef
Thanks for the suggestion but surely, if going to the trouble of changing out lamps, one would be looking for something of an improvement over original. Something that throws light a long way or on a wide arc or for penetration in foggy conditions.
Not an expert on landing lights but I imagine them being a far more, blunt tool.

I figure 100w halogen would be an improvement over the 7.4w OEM lights.
For $13 usd, might be worth a shot.
These are labeled as landing lights, so I figure more spot light than flood.
There are "taxi" lights also that would be more like flood lights.

It was mentioned earlier that a search for halogen par46 lights turned up empty.
Might be a solution.

 

[[ Adam ]]

Maybe these would work for people wanting halogen bulbs?
Be nice if they fit the INEOS buckets!
Cheap enough to take a flyer on.

Highest wattage in 12v is 100w, though 24v models go up to 450w.

Martek Aircraft 4537 Landing Light Lamp | Aircraft Spruce

Martek Aircraft 4537 Landing Light Lamp Since 1974 Martek Industries Inc. has been a valued supplier of aircraft lighting to the U.S. Defense Department, Naval Air Systems Command (NAV-AIR), and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

www.aircraftspruce.com

As a contingency, they'll melt the snow and ice, providing some light when your main headlights are iced over. I think pursuing a high wattage lamp in the centers may be a good idea.

 

[ADVAW8S]

I might be replicating a post but saw this on agile offroad. Baja has entered the building.

https://agileoffroad.com/product/baja-designs-off-road-lights-for-ineos-grenadier-by-agile-offroad/

 

[BenTN]

I might be replicating a post but saw this on agile offroad. Baja has entered the building.

https://agileoffroad.com/product/baja-designs-off-road-lights-for-ineos-grenadier-by-agile-offroad/

Wow, I had not seen that! Thanks for posting this. (screen grab from Agile Offroad website attached below this post)

That Baja Designs light fits the stock bezel well and I think it looks really good. That's a high-quality 40W (nominal, each) light so it should generate a nice output. I am guessing they have designed a very similar mount bracket to what I described in this thread. My wild guess is that this will be a ~US$1000 kit when it reaches the market.

@nmoeder recently sent me a link to an in-grill product being developed by ShadowMarq and shown off 2 weeks ago on Instagram:

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This is a nicely integrated look. They seem to be molding a special custom Grenadier bezel that conforms to the KC Flex Era 4's very well. That is a lot of work, and my guess is that kit will probably be > US$1000. In the comments on Insta they mentioned that it will be available next month (?).

More options on the market is excellent for all of us!

I will post an update on the forum-based effort soon. Looks like we may have 4 different light brackets in the works by next week.

 

[GrumpyBastard]

Oh my agile off-road! Let’s go! But if the Xl-r pro fits, xl-r 80’s should fit too… and having had those on my raptor, that’s the way I’d go.

 

[nuclearmonkey]

Oh my agile off-road! Let’s go! But if the Xl-r pro fits, xl-r 80’s should fit too… and having had those on my raptor, that’s the way I’d go.

My thoughts exactly… I’ve been waiting to see someone try putting them in the housing as I don’t have a truck yet.

 

[DMarchand]

After installing their ARB compressor setup, impressed with their attention to detail. Hopefully that continues.

 

[Tom109]

@BenTN - What about these? Both 55W halogen fogs?

 

[BenTN]

@BenTN - What about these? Both 55W halogen fogs?

Looks like they could be mounted, but they are rather deep and will stick out well forward of the round bezel. What are they?

 

[Tom109]

Looks like they could be mounted, but they are rather deep and will stick out well forward of the round bezel. What are they?

I found them in an older Japanese IPF catalog. The larger one that is 91.6mm deep actually has three tubular mounting studs projecting rearward off the light body. They are probably around 71mm deep. That 91.6mm deep light also has an adjustment knob on the back at 12 o’clock.

What is your depth restriction? I don’t like the light sticking out from the bezel, but could your mount be opened up in the center to allow the connector to pass through.

 

[Ovrland Bill]

I figure 100w halogen would be an improvement over the 7.4w OEM lights.
For $13 usd, might be worth a shot.
These are labeled as landing lights, so I figure more spot light than flood.
There are "taxi" lights also that would be more like flood lights.

Ironically, light plane owners are sometimes switching their incandescent landing/taxi lights over to LED technology.

 

[nuclearbeef]

Ironically, light plane owners are sometimes switching their incandescent landing/taxi lights over to LED technology.

Large aircraft as well.
There are definite advantages to LEDs.
Current draw. Weight of the unit. Weight of the circuitry. Mean time between failure. Etc...

I personally much prefer the warm light of incandescent bulbs to the harsh, nasty light of LEDs.
I also feel that I see better with incandescent light.
For my eye (brain?) to pick out the same resolution; I require more "lumens" or "candela" from LEDs. Still far less wattage than halogen, but "brighter" LED light; if you know what I mean.

 

[grnamin]

Large aircraft as well.
There are definite advantages to LEDs.
Current draw. Weight of the unit. Weight of the circuitry. Mean time between failure. Etc...

I personally much prefer the warm light of incandescent bulbs to the harsh, nasty light of LEDs.
I also feel that I see better with incandescent light.
For my eye (brain?) to pick out the same resolution; I require more "lumens" or "candela" from LEDs. Still far less wattage than halogen, but "brighter" LED light; if you know what I mean.

When I was stationed in Italy from 1987-1991, all vehicles had close-to-amber headlights. They were much better in dense fog than today's 5000K and up LED lamps. Why can't manufacturers use warm white LEDs?

 

[Ovrland Bill]

Large aircraft as well.
There are definite advantages to LEDs.
Current draw. Weight of the unit. Weight of the circuitry. Mean time between failure. Etc...

I personally much prefer the warm light of incandescent bulbs to the harsh, nasty light of LEDs.
I also feel that I see better with incandescent light.
For my eye (brain?) to pick out the same resolution; I require more "lumens" or "candela" from LEDs. Still far less wattage than halogen, but "brighter" LED light; if you know what I mean.

I wonder if the LED landing/taxi lamp’s lack of inherent ‘lens heating’ is a factor for “flight into known icing conditions” certification?

 

[Trialmaster]

I wonder if the LED landing/taxi lamp’s lack of inherent ‘lens heating’ is a factor for “flight into known icing conditions” certification?

They aren't on the Gulfstreams for example. Gulfstreams of all ages can have LEDS (original fit or earlier model retrofitted). The only light this isn't LED is the Landing Light and these do not affect flight into adverse weather.

 

[DaveB]

Large aircraft as well.
There are definite advantages to LEDs.
Current draw. Weight of the unit. Weight of the circuitry. Mean time between failure. Etc...

I personally much prefer the warm light of incandescent bulbs to the harsh, nasty light of LEDs.
I also feel that I see better with incandescent light.
For my eye (brain?) to pick out the same resolution; I require more "lumens" or "candela" from LEDs. Still far less wattage than halogen, but "brighter" LED light; if you know what I mean.

The human eye responds best to yellow light, one reason why many roads were lit by low pressure sodium and high pressure sodium.
Particularly if prone to fog or rain.
Unfortunately it isn't good for colour recognition or depth perception.
lights at 5,000 K are the best for the human eye.
This is equivalent to the midday sun on a good day.
Some LED driving lights are at stupid colour temperatures over 6,000 K and look harsh and move towards the blue spectrum.

As most people are aware aircraft landing lights are not there for the pilot to see the way, they are so those on the ground can see the plane.

T-VASIS landing systems used to use a 100 Watt halogen sealed beam.
We used to use them for driving lights and spotlights once they were routinely changed out for maintenance.

 

[Kruegerruda]

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[wolftimj]

I use these on my plane. The amount of light they put out is well worth the cost, at least for anything certified.

AeroLEDs Sunspot 36-4596 Landing Light PAR 36 - 28V FAA-PMA | Aircraft Spruce

AeroLEDs Sunspot 36-4596 Landing Light PAR 36 - 28V FAA-PMA The PMA Certified SunSpot 4596 landing light is a drop in replacement for the 250 Watt GE4596 bulb and only draws 100 Watts of power.

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There is an HID option that is a little cheaper with very good output, but much higher current draw. Both create enough heat to keep them free of ice.

 

[BenTN]

Since I originally posted about this effort (Auxiliary light replacement with higher power LEDs) a few weeks ago, some new relevant products have been announced or have come to my attention. I thought I would collect the products I know about in one post so that people can see what is on the market now. Most of these were found by forum members and some have already been posted here in this thread. If you know of something that I have missed, please post it here.

Early entry in the market, a pair of small light bars (88-104W total) from Lazer Lamps (Triple-R) that requires cutting of the stock grill:

VisionX lights (~100W total) with a bracket design similar to the ones that I made, does not seem to require cutting:

Agile Off-Road integration of Baja Designs XL-R Pro lights "coming soon". Not many details have been announced about this kit but I am guessing there is no cutting required.

ShadowMarq integration of KC Hilites Flex Era 4's said to be available "next month" per a post on Instagram. Appears to include a custom molded bezel. I assume no cutting required.

Owl Outdoor (Owl Vans) has a vehicle with with Baja Designs LP4's installed. I don't have any info about this as a kit.

And just for comparison, this fine integration is my amazon special. 160W total and retains the classic round look. No cutting.

What did I miss?