Australia - Carsales article 2022-09-26

[Greg]

https://www.carsales.com.au/editori...s-grenadier-demo-arrives-in-australia-137626/

 

[Davman]

Looking forward to being able to attend some of the EVENTS EVENTS EVENTS.

Hopefully they will start notifying us directly of where they will all be.

 

[Greg]

I just want to see one as a start.
You would hope that those of use who have plonked down our readies would get a personal invite at the very least

 

[Red pepper]

https://www.carsales.com.au/editori...s-grenadier-demo-arrives-in-australia-137626/

From the article :
"Hocevar confirmed that there are another 18 PTO2 vehicles on the way to Australia...

The PTO2 on display in Wollongong was not able to be driven by members of the public, and will be crushed once its..."
Wow, crushed..? All PTO2?

 

[ECrider]

Can't they just give it to the Broccolis so it can be driven and flipped by 007 in the next film!!!

 

[DaveB]

From the article :
"Hocevar confirmed that there are another 18 PTO2 vehicles on the way to Australia...

The PTO2 on display in Wollongong was not able to be driven by members of the public, and will be crushed once its..."
Wow, crushed..? All PTO2?

Slip off to Toyota, Ford, GM, BMW, VW etc and ask them if you can buy one of their prototypes. Or actually see one.

 

[emax]

They could donate them to kindergardens, unemployed - or the pope ...

 

[bemax]

From the article :
"Hocevar confirmed that there are another 18 PTO2 vehicles on the way to Australia...

The PTO2 on display in Wollongong was not able to be driven by members of the public, and will be crushed once its..."
Wow, crushed..? All PTO2?

That’s the law. The companies are not allowed to sell those cars. Some times there are events from manufacturers of hydraulic tools for fire departments where the teams can cut those vehicles in pieces. (https://www.weber-rescue.com/en/rescue-days/) Afterwards it has to 100 % sure that every tiny bit of the car is returned.
It is a pity to see a new working BMW 750 or Audi A8 or Mercedes S-class cut to pieces…

 

[WhiteBear]

What kind of absurd law is it, what is it good for to destroy a fully functional car?

 

[ECrider]

Its horrific waste. Even a motor museum would be preferable!

 

[bemax]

Its horrific waste. Even a motor museum would be preferable!

As the technology of the cars structures is changing quite fast the firemen are keen to train with an actual car instead of a 20 year old Holden, Vauxhall or Opel Corsa. for example the A-pillars are made of exreme hard steel to protect the passangers in a role over. If you would try to cut a (real) Defendes A-pillar you could do so with a hand saw. Try that with a Grenadier and you probably have to do for the rest of the month.
For the fire brigades it is importnant to rain from time to time with modern cars so they know the challanges of the modern materials.

 

[emax]

> What kind of absurd law is it, what is it good for to destroy a fully functional car?

They call it sustainability: It will be gone forever.

 

[emax]

As the technology of the cars structures is changing quite fast the firemen are keen to train with an actual car instead of a 20 year old Holden, Vauxhall or Opel Corsa. for example the A-pillars are made of exreme hard steel to protect the passangers in a role over. If you would try to cut a (real) Defendes A-pillar you could do so with a hand saw. Try that with a Grenadier and you probably have to do for the rest of the month.
For the fire brigades it is importnant to rain from time to time with modern cars so they know the challanges of the modern materials.

In Germany, the ADAC provides a rescue card for most car models, which is a piece of paper that tells firefighters/rescue workers how and where to cut. Car owners are supposed to keep this paper behind the sun visor.

Only attach the rescue card behind the driver's sun visor, as this location has been communicated internationally for rescue forces. Fold it beforehand with the printed side facing outwards so that it is easily recognizable as a rescue card.

It is true, of course, that real cars are better for training. But I don't think the law in question was made with that in mind.

 

[ECrider]

Insurance write offs could be used perhaps. subject to damage

 

[DCPU]

That’s the law. The companies are not allowed to sell those cars.

It might be different where you are but in UK, there are ways to keep prototypes and even road register them. I know of several Lotus and one Jag in private hands under such circumstances.

The reason why they are destroyed is usually a condition of the tax scheme under which the manufacturer can claim back/obtain a tax credit for the entire development costs or those proportional/attributable to the individual prototype vehicle.

 

[bemax]

In Germany, the ADAC provides a rescue card for most car models, which is a piece of paper that tells firefighters/rescue workers how and where to cut. Car owners are supposed to keep this paper behind the sun visor.



It is true, of course, that real cars are better for training. But I don't think the law in question was made with that in mind.

the rescue card is available for tablets as well. So the firemen do not have to search it in the car.
No the training with the new cars is possible because of the fact that these cars can not be sold. For sure it is not the reason for the prohibition.