Another cracked windscreen

[74CampySuperRecord]

Why you never had edge chips on the old Defender it rubber gasket sealed on all edges of the windshield
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Bottom and Right and left and right edges of windshield are exposed , the edge it rounded but not protected since size of rocks,Glass is the strongest in the center and weakest at edges.
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I love that paint scheme.

 

[SkiBum1]

Sorry, but which type of Google are you using? My search in German language, while sittting in Germany, says it's prohibited by law.

Maybe the Google version for the free part of the world is different...

Here are a few screen shots of some simple research. All are clear, tinting in Germany on the front window is clearly not allowed. Protective film IS allowed if there is no tint. Here is two screen shots and a link to a German company selling the material. However, I would buy Exoshield like we are using in the USA on our grenadoers as they have one that fits (I have it) and have it shipped to you and put it on yourself.

Vehicle protection | security window film for cars

HAVERKAMP Secure Bond 100 ✓ 99% UV protection ✓ Shatter protection according to EN 12600 ✓ 10 years warranty ➔ Inform here!

www.haverkamp.de

 

[WhiteBear]

You know, what „transparent sun visor permitted“ means?
In Germany films of any kind are not permitted on the windshield except 10cm sun visor film.
Whatever your AI seems to know about german regulations.

 

[bemax]

A quick google or ChatGPT search will reveal that almost all of Europe only prevents TINTED window films on the front and there are NO restrictions against non tinted protective films. I think you guys aren’t understanding the regulations.

That’s why we need the help of our smart friends from the US all the time. They can help out anywhere…

 

[SkiBum1]

That’s why we need the help of our smart friends from the US all the time. They can help out anywhere…

Sure, we can try not to help other people. Good point. We don’t need to waste our time, German owners should probably have their own dedicated Grenadier chat site right? That would help.

 

[TD5-90]

Sure, we can try not to help other people. Good point. We don’t need to waste our time, German owners should probably have their own dedicated Grenadier chat site right? That would help.

C'mon, don't be silly. Help of any kind is greatly appreciated, regardless who's trying to help!

In that special case it is what it is (and always was) around here. Meanwhile, we're "living" in GDR 2.0, not in a free country in any respect. I already stated here that I think that Europe and especially Germany suck for their know-it-all-better-than-the-rest-of-the-world attitude.

I am envious that you live in a country where you can simply solve obvious problems in a pragmatic manner.

 

[Clark Kent]

C'mon, don't be silly. Help of any kind is greatly appreciated, regardless who's trying to help!

In that special case it is what it is (and always was) around here. Meanwhile, we're "living" in GDR 2.0, not in a free country in any respect. I already stated here that I think that Europe and especially Germany suck for their know-it-all-better-than-the-rest-of-the-world attitude.

I am envious that you live in a country where you can simply solve obvious problems in a pragmatic manner.

As best as I can establish after 15 minutes of reading, Australian jurisdictions also do not allow the on-road use of windscreen protection films. My assessment could be wrong or incomplete because the various federal and state regs refer to factory tinted bands and applied tint films and don't specifically mention protection films. There is common reference to the use of clear films (UV films) on side windows but not windscreens. The windscreen regs variously state that application of any film on the windscreen must start at the top edge and cannot go lower than 10% of the overall windscreen height, or below a line drawn across the wiper blade arc - whichever is lesser. I think by definition that eliminates full cover protection films but it's possible this has not been challenged at the regulator level.

I found one Australian importer/installer of Exoshield GT3+ protection film but even they have a disclaimer to check local regs.

I agree the risk of detection during operation would be low however if the film makes the vehicle non-compliant against the regs then it is illegal to operate on-road. In this country non-compliant vehicles are deemed unroadworthy and insurance becomes void in the event of an accident claim. No sensible person is going to risk cancellation of their insurance and expose themselves to at-fault legal proceedings because of a $2000 windscreen.

 

[AngusMacG]

How long does the protection film last?

 

[Shopkeep]

How long does the protection film last?

Between two and four Grenadier windscreen average lifespan?

 

[AngusMacG]

Between two and four Grenadier windscreen average lifespan?

So 6 months…

 

[TD5-90]

Doesn't mean it's not worth considering... What's so special about Europe that they think they know better and are smarter than the ROW?

Have a ~10cm crack from the right top, resulting from an unnoticed chip in the black edge region of the screen. Stabilized it with screen repair kit after the crack developed from the chip. Been driving around for ~3000kms since. Crack has not further expanded.

UPDATE: >6000km since and crack is still same length, not a single mm more...

 

[DaveB]

That’s why we need the help of our smart friends from the US all the time. They can help out anywhere…

Walking a thin line there my friend.

 

[DaveB]

Yesterday I took the beast down to get the windscreen protected by Integrashield which comes with a 5 year warranty

IntegraShield | Nanotechnology Protective Glass Coating

integrashield.com.au

IntegraShield will repair/replace the damaged area with a genuine windscreen providing the owner has maintained the vehicle in the manner described herein. There is no limit of claims during the period of cover.
When I collected the vehicle there were numerous very small (pinhead) spots all over the windscreen.
These were chips or pits caused by stones.

The "technicians" said that when they thoroughly cleaned and polished the windscreen the chips appeared.
They said they did not use any products or techniques that could have caused them, the dirt, road grime and general condition of the windscreen was covering them up.


They said they stopped counting at 30, I stopped at 40.
I must admit the windscreen has never looked so clean.

I then asked why they continued to apply the product as it would have made more sense for me to replace my windscreen under insurance and then get it done.
The "manager" said there was nothing he could do about it so i said Ok.

1. Let me speak to your manager then.
2. Supervisor arrived and after 20 minutes of the same conversation and same outcome I said
3. Let me speak to your manager then.
4. Group Service Manager arrived and after another 30 minutes of the same discussion and outcome I said
5. Let me speak to your manager then.
6. He said he reports to the General Manager of the business and he normally doesn't handle this type of thing and is probably very busy.
7. I said I am also very busy, and I am not leaving until this is resolved, so either he comes to me or I will go to him.
8. 10 minutes later a man walks up to me with hand out and says "hi, I'm tony and I am in charge of this place"
   1. Turns out to be a really nice and down to earth guy
   2. He agrees they should not have proceeded with the work once they discovered the "already existing" stone chips.
   3. Suggests that I talk with my insurance company and after they replace the windscreen that I bring it back, and they will re-apply the Integrashield at no extra charge.

I will try to get some pictures of the marks

 

[C-Mack]

Seems like these types of glass coatings could easily fall into the category of snake oils. Not saying this is the case here as there are probably some benefits in terms of water repelling, increase clarity, etc… Not fully understanding the chemistry they are promoting but it does gives out the vibes of something a dealer would try and tack on during a sales transaction to pad the bottom line.

If a stone is big enough and traveling at the right angle it’s going to have its way with the windshield regardless so at that point it ends up being a replacement through insurance if you have the coverage that is. The only thing I’ve actually see personally prevent a stone chip is high quality window protection films even then its not a 100% guarantee it’ll work every time. Nature of the beast with such upright windshields I guess.

 

[DaveB]

Seems like these types of glass coatings could easily fall into the category of snake oils. Not saying this is the case here as there are probably some benefits in terms of water repelling, increase clarity, etc… Not fully understanding the chemistry they are promoting but it does gives out the vibes of something a dealer would try and tack on during a sales transaction to pad the bottom line.

If a stone is big enough and traveling at the right angle it’s going to have its way with the windshield regardless so at that point it ends up being a replacement through insurance if you have the coverage that is. The only thing I’ve actually see personally prevent a stone chip is high quality window protection films even then its not a 100% guarantee it’ll work every time. Nature of the beast with such upright windshields I guess.

yes I am also extremely skeptical.
However I have just paid AUD$495 USD$313 for 5 years unlimited repair or replacements to my windscreen.
Which I will also claim on my tax as I use the vehicle for work.
Pretty damn cheap considering how expensive windscreens are and how prone the Grenadier windscreens are to chipping and breakage.

 

[Shopkeep]

yes I am also extremely skeptical.
However I have just paid AUD$495 USD$313 for 5 years unlimited repair or replacements to my windscreen.
Which I will also claim on my tax as I use the vehicle for work.
Pretty damn cheap considering how expensive windscreens are and how prone the Grenadier windscreens are to chipping and breakage.

$495 seems like a good price, I thought it would be around $1000. Was the company who fitted it a local detailer or part of a national chain?

 

[DaveB]

$495 seems like a good price, I thought it would be around $1000. Was the company who fitted it a local detailer or part of a national chain?

It was Cricks automotive group.
They usually charge $795 but I haggled and they offered $595.
I said I would get two vehicles done if they could do both for under $1000.
They came back at $495 each.

 

[Cheshire cat]

Seems like these types of glass coatings could easily fall into the category of snake oils. Not saying this is the case here as there are probably some benefits in terms of water repelling, increase clarity, etc… Not fully understanding the chemistry they are promoting but it does gives out the vibes of something a dealer would try and tack on during a sales transaction to pad the bottom line.

If a stone is big enough and traveling at the right angle it’s going to have its way with the windshield regardless so at that point it ends up being a replacement through insurance if you have the coverage that is. The only thing I’ve actually see personally prevent a stone chip is high quality window protection films even then its not a 100% guarantee it’ll work every time. Nature of the beast with such upright windshields I guess.

The very reputable company that recently PPF'd my Grenadier said they had stopped doing windscreen type protection for several reasons including clarity, longevity, and finish.
I remember watching some car program where they had to have a specially shaped piece of glass (tailgate if I remember correctly), re-manufactured. It wasn't a completely ludicrous price. Wonder if we will see modified, aftermarket screens anytime soon?

 

[Tazzieman]

Yesterday I took the beast down to get the windscreen protected by Integrashield which comes with a 5 year warranty

IntegraShield | Nanotechnology Protective Glass Coating

integrashield.com.au

IntegraShield will repair/replace the damaged area with a genuine windscreen providing the owner has maintained the vehicle in the manner described herein. There is no limit of claims during the period of cover.
When I collected the vehicle there were numerous very small (pinhead) spots all over the windscreen.
These were chips or pits caused by stones.

The "technicians" said that when they thoroughly cleaned and polished the windscreen the chips appeared.
They said they did not use any products or techniques that could have caused them, the dirt, road grime and general condition of the windscreen was covering them up.


They said they stopped counting at 30, I stopped at 40.
I must admit the windscreen has never looked so clean.

I then asked why they continued to apply the product as it would have made more sense for me to replace my windscreen under insurance and then get it done.
The "manager" said there was nothing he could do about it so i said Ok.

1. Let me speak to your manager then.
2. Supervisor arrived and after 20 minutes of the same conversation and same outcome I said
3. Let me speak to your manager then.
4. Group Service Manager arrived and after another 30 minutes of the same discussion and outcome I said
5. Let me speak to your manager then.
6. He said he reports to the General Manager of the business and he normally doesn't handle this type of thing and is probably very busy.
7. I said I am also very busy, and I am not leaving until this is resolved, so either he comes to me or I will go to him.
8. 10 minutes later a man walks up to me with hand out and says "hi, I'm tony and I am in charge of this place"
   1. Turns out to be a really nice and down to earth guy
   2. He agrees they should not have proceeded with the work once they discovered the "already existing" stone chips.
   3. Suggests that I talk with my insurance company and after they replace the windscreen that I bring it back, and they will re-apply the Integrashield at no extra charge.

I will try to get some pictures of the marks

W
My windscreen is covered in grasshopper splat. I will have to scrub it off as the wipers/ wash just smear it , straight after a hit.
Can you scrub the gladwrap stuff?

 

[DaveB]

W
My windscreen is covered in grasshopper splat. I will have to scrub it off as the wipers/ wash just smear it , straight after a hit.
Can you scrub the gladwrap stuff?

It isn't a film, it goes on as a liquid.
They did complain that my windscreen was very dirty.
I told them because it is on the outside of a vehicle that I just drove for 2 hours on crappy roads in pouring rain and crap thrown up by other vehicles.
Every bug for 400 kms committed suicide on it and every bird used it for target practice.