5 wheel tyre rotations and a MUFF

[CountyV8]

Now. the weather is getting colder will Ineos bring out a Muff a la Land Rover .

Also thinking about tire rotation any ideas ?

 

[AngusMacG]

Always wondered why it's called a muff...

 

[Eric]

Always wondered why it's called a muff...

Muffler - to cover

 

[Tazzieman]

Always wondered why it's called a muff...

Nothing to do with the Irish village?

 

[ECrider]

...or excessive hair?

 

[AngusMacG]

Muffler - to cover

Yeah...but just confuses search engines with mufflers on the exhaust...One reason that AI will ruin us all

 

[ECrider]

Also thinking about tire rotation any ideas ?

will be swapping my km3s for my ko2s come April. When I stick my muds back on will be rotating with the spare so standard 4x4 5 tyre rotation. Will try and rotate at similar mileage say 10,000 or less and try and keep a record over the seasons.

 

[stickshifter]

Now. the weather is getting colder will Ineos bring out a Muff a la Land Rover .

Also thinking about tire rotation any ideas ?

Since Ineos provides a full-size spare tire of the same make & model, then its best to do a 5-tire rotation. A 5-tire rotation is good for two reasons: (1) you maximize tire life, and (2) if you get a flat, your spare tire will have similar wear as the other tires; you don't want to put a brand new tire onto a vehicle with three very worn tires (you can damage the drive train).

There are different patterns for doing a 5-tire rotation. This is the one recommended by Tire Rack and others; it is called the Rearward Cross:

 

[terdrocket]

This is the pattern I follow every 5000 miles on my 200 series. I plan to do the same with the Grenadier. Only have to jack the truck up 2 times. First take off the spare, jack up the passenger side, change tires (RR to RF, spare to RR), set down, jack up the driver side, change tires (LR to LF, RF to LR, LF to spare), set down and done.
A standard floor jack with a Pro Eagle Extension added on works really well for lifted vehicle.

 

[rovie]

Since Ineos provides a full-size spare tire of the same make & model, then its best to do a 5-tire rotation. A 5-tire rotation is good for two reasons: (1) you maximize tire life, and (2) if you get a flat, your spare tire will have similar wear as the other tires; you don't want to put a brand new tire onto a vehicle with three very worn tires (you can damage the drive train).

There are different patterns for doing a 5-tire rotation. This is the one recommended by Tire Rack and others; it is called the Rearward Cross:

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This tyre change sequence is also in my Land Rover manual.

 

[DaBull]

This tyre change sequence is also in my Land Rover manual.

Hi Rovie, I must be missing something on that tire rotation diagram. It appears an arrow is missing that would show the spare moving over to the right rear tire location.
If I am correct (and I am not saying I am), perhaps someone could modify the diagram and post it on the forum. DaBull

 

[stickshifter]

Here you go:

 

[NQ94]

I do my tyre rotation a little different to the diagram and it may change depending on tyre wear and damage. I fit the fronts to the rear, the reason this can tidy up some odd tyre wear from castor issues in lifted live axle vehicles and correct some tread wear from slightly incorrect wheel alignment. Rotate a rear into a the spare position and the spare and a rear back to the front. This method works well if all the tyres are good and the same brand and non directional. If one tyre has had minor damage or repairs that is only used as a spare or rotated onto the rear. Minor damaged or repaired tyres get a mark inside the rim with a paint pen that can be removed with solvent. I run two spares on my LC so I use a six tyre rotation method depending on tyre damage and repairs.

 

[Stu_Barnes]

Here you go:
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Man, I was going to post about this. I use this pattern and every 5k miles.

 

[Tom109]

Excuse my ignorance , but does the Grenadier automatically relearn the new TPMS locations?

 

[CountyV8]

Excuse my ignorance , but does the Grenadier automatically relearn the new TPMS locations?

When I put the spare on it did but when.the repaired wheel was re-mounted it wouldn't reconnect until I went over 60MPH

 

[Tom109]

I did the 5-wheel rotation, noted the original and final wheel position, and reset all tire pressure the next morning. I also reset the TPMS so I will not get alarms, but the pressure/temp display is no longer useful. Fully usable, but tires will not return to their initial position until four more rotations (20k miles).

Very poor system from Ineos. Even Honda can follow Sensors after a rotation. Might be better putting all the sensors in a pressurized canister and replacing them with Schrader valves.

 

[parb]

Are you installing one of these for the for cold weather... ?

 

[rovie]

Are you installing one of these for the for cold weather... ?
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Almost more beautiful than saddle leather.

 

[Stu9]

Gidday everyone. I have been chasing the same information regarding the TPMS recognising the new wheel placements after a rotation. Unfortunately, INEOS advice was to take it to the service agent and have them reset the sensors in the system. This is DEFINITELY NOT in line with the original Grenadier philosophy. Anyway, I have a solution that everyone can do. See below.

I have worked out how to do it. While it is fairly simple, it is a bit tedious. You MUST use a 5 wheel rotation, not 4. It is much easier to confirm transfer of the wheel sensor to the correct location if you have noticeably different pressures in the spare to the rear pair to the front pair at start. For example, have 340kpa in the spare, 300 in the rear pair and say 260 in the front pair. The difference needs to be sufficient that tyre temperature and pressure increase while driving does not confuse, of make the pressures overlap. As the system is only set up to recognise one wheel movement at a time, you must drive the vehicle after each change until the system recognises the new position. After this, you may then move to the next single wheel rotation.

1. Ensure your tyre pressures are set up in three different groups, spare, rear and front.

2. Rotate the spare to the REAR RIGHT. I am not sure whether there is a sensor in the rear door, or if the system requires the wheels to rotate to awaken the sensors. If it uses rotation, then the new spare may simply be placed in the rear of the vehicle. Take the vehicle for a drive of around 15 to 20 minutes. Have the Off Road Temperature screen on the display so you can see when the system recognises the spare is now at the rear right. The pressure display will change to the new tyre’s pressure.

3. Rotate the new spare (the wheel that was the original rear right) to the FRONT RIGHT. Place the original front right wheel in the back of the vehicle or on the spare carrier. Repeat the drive and monitor the pressure display until the new reading is shown.

4. Rotate the new spare (the wheel that was the front right) to the REAR LEFT side. Repeat the procedure for spare storage and the drive. After the system registers the new tyre pressure, go to the next step.

5. Rotate the new spare (this wheel was the rear left) to the FRONT LEFT side. Place the new spare in the rear of the vehicle. Repeat the drive procedure until the system registers the new tyre pressure.

6. Correctly inflate or deflate all tyres to the pressures you wish to run. Remount the final spare wheel to the correct location.

I hope this helps all those who have this issue. In my case, the wheels had already been rotated. I had to devise a way to achieve the desired end result while making the correct next wheel available as the next spare. If you are unsure of where your wheels actually are on the vehicle, try deflating or inflating one tyre at a time and watch the temperature screen in the Off Road group to see which position the vehicle thinks the wheel is in.