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Postscript on the sale of my Grenadier

That seems to be a common thing in the UK for the start stop to reactivate after switching your car off , all my previous cars that have had it always resets
 
scottyboy436 said:
That seems to be a common thing in the UK for the start stop to reactivate after switching your car off , all my previous cars that have had it always resets
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My BMW’s all stay in the last setting and my Mini Cooper as well. My Jeep Gladiator did not kept the setting. I don’t know if it’s because my BMW’s are M cars and the mini is a JCW or if it’s a BMW thing.

But as I said if you shim the start stop switch so it remains depressed you don’t have to fiddle with it again.
 
I've always had audis/seat , they all reset after being turned off .

It is ashame that it's not possible to have personalised options in the settings
 
Jackattack13 said:
I think there is a large group of us on here that would buy a bare bones model (myself included) if they were to make one.
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20-30,000 of them a year every year though??
Somehow I doubt it, and then all of a sudden the Grenny wouldn’t exist.

I’m not even sure the mining and other industrial use corporate buyers want those anymore. Robust yes, 1980’s tech, and safety, definitely not..

Life is sometimes a compromise, and you do the best that you can.
 
Zimm said:
Are you hard? Are you rock hard?
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Hard to stomach? Or just plain hard?
I present the binary demographic of the Ineos forum 😉
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bigleonski said:
20-30,000 of them a year every year though??
Somehow I doubt it, and then all of a sudden the Grenny wouldn’t exist.

I’m not even sure the mining and other industrial use corporate buyers want those anymore. Robust yes, 1980’s tech, and safety, definitely not..

Life is sometimes a compromise, and you do the best that you can.
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Thats where price comes in. Stripper, lockers, Gwagon body and chassis... 60k... everyone that has one is still likely in, and your market just ballooned with the number of Americans that could now afford it but don't want a jeep, the guys in Britain and Europe have their Defender replacement, and in Oz... The Toyota haters have a viable solid front axle option they too can afford. (I also would have made more utility with 4-6" more length in the load area and ditched the utility belt for larger gull wing window options, but thats a dead issue). Spend 4-5 years building the market and dealer network, then when it's time for the mid model refresh stir sales by adding in the "king ranch" interiors and double the price like ford does with an f250.

Right now it's too spendy for many in group A, and to shitty for those in group B.

It lacks a target market with this fit out. We're OK with it, but we're all fanboys of some sort ot another. One has to step out of the bubble.
 
scottyboy436 said:
It was marketed as a car for people that are not soft but it seems like 80% of the people that have bought a grenadier are soft .
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I am not 100% soft. I am like a full fat soft cheese with a titanium outer layer.

Occasionally I am like a creme brulee with reactive armour.
 
It is impossible to build a simple vehicle in the western world. Ineos Automotive have a breakeven set at somewhere between 20-30,000 vehicles per year spread all around the world, so they can only economically build essentially one version, (so auto only), and modern components are cheap to make/buy; it is quite difficult to buy a really basic HVAC outside of collector cars.

Every time I whinge to my motor industry mates about the systems and choices Ineos made to build and design the Grenadier, I am told quite firmly about all of the limitations the regulations, marketing, manufacturing and compliance impose on vehicle builders. These guys are not Ineos Automotive fanboys either, they work for JLR, Ford, VAG and Ricardo. Just the fact that Ineos build so few vehicles imposes availability and economic pressures as well.

In the UK especially, it is much easier to build and operate one vehicle than 20,000; single vehicle approval is quite simple!

If you really, really want a bare bones vehicle you have to buy an old one.
 
Zimm said:
I think overall their product and marketing absolutely nailed their target market. Most of these buyers are people without conception of, or bias based on, the old Defender. The anger is just projection from the small minority of people like us. Hell, I have other offroad trucks that the gren will never match. If the ND had veered into the offroad market a bit more with usable roof, manual mode with real lockers, and could take 35's cleanly, I may have purchased a D90.
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My neighbour has just bought a D90 and also has a Series 2a LR. You maybe correct but I feel that a lot of buyers may of had a soft spot for the old girls but wanted a modern and more reliable Defender as he did and yes the D90 would of been my choice also.

If I watched a car just like the one attached or even a shorty, roll out of the JLR factory I would have jumped at it.
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I see @HereinDaRockies has deleted his comment; I'd suggest that we had slightly fewer shenanigans for Ineos Automotive as the logistics and lines of control were shorter. That's not to say IA didn't do dumb stuff, just that it was slightly easier for them to 'fix' it.
Classic example being that they did not roll out a process for rejecting a vehicle from day 1, especially as UK consumer law make it effectively compulsory. The parent company does B2B trading, I guess they had not bumped into B2C consumer regulations before.
 
OP's points stand.

1. Depreciation before 2010 was about 10-15% for a new vehicle when the first owner drive it off the lot. The exception was Toyota, where in some markets a one year old used model cost as much or more than a brand new one. Is his depreciation unacceptable? I don't know. What I do know is dealers will subtract the piece of mods from trade in value in most cases, the trade in our direct same price to dealer is higher with the vehicle being completely stock.

2. The financing goat rodeo is completely on the dealer and to some extent the bank. CarMax can do a pay-off and payout on the spot, and all dealers have access to a system like it, because on the spot financing works the same way.

This being said it's a gentle reminder to not trust dealers (or car companies). Or at least "trust but verify" principles apply.

3. Issues with vehicles and repairs: already covered. If those are gone into again and expanded into design and engineering decisions made, most could have been addressed if ineos had decided to plan to be in compliance with consumer laws in the EU and US before regarding as much as they did into the vehicle operation regulations.

If someone were to rip out the ECUs from the vehicle and replace them with something more sensible, open, and working, the remaining complaints would be pretty minor except for spares availability.

If ineos decided to release their manual and list the CAN codes...

If, if, if.

Not a sermon, just a thought.
 
Tazzieman said:
Like many products it is marketed as an aspirational lifestyle vehicle. My guess is that most buyers will only pee around the edges of the offroad lawn.
That said, the 2nd and 3rd hand markets may be where we find true enthusiasts. As long as they can afford maintenance and repairs.
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I for one am looking forward to picking these up third hand and freestyling with impunity.
 
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