Airing Down/Up: Portable solution

Tazzieman · Apr 10, 2024

LeeroyJ said:
On paper this shouldn't be the case, The Morrflate TenSix has a rated 10.6 CFPM output, but the Schrader valve's are usually 2 CFPM or less, so they become the bottleneck. If you are pumping one tire, you'll be limited by the Schrader valve to only 2CFPM, but if you are pumping 4 you should be able to pump up at 8CFPM. So in theory, those hose splitters should be able to pump four tires up in the same time it takes to fill one.

I say in theory, because that is not at all what I have experienced using a four-tire kit with my double-ARB. It definitely felt faster, but no where near 1/4th the time.

A few minutes out of your life is no biggie. IMO

LeeroyJ · Apr 10, 2024

ddv said:
That's very interesting. I had not actually measured the relative times of the dual in deflate airing up versus single wheel inflation but it certainly my impression was that it was not half the time. Your point re the limits of the Schrader valve is well taken.

One other complication I thought about: That 10.6 cfpm rating is at zero psi, as the pressure in the tire gets higher, the output of the pump (in CFPM terms) will be less, so for example with that MORRFlate TenSix Pro, it drops to 6.5 cfpm at 30 psi. All that to say that the output is not linear, it decreases as the pressure increases, whereas the Shrader valves will remain capped at 2 cfpm regardless of psi (I think?), so at some pressure the compressor would once again become the bottle neck (math way beyond my abilities).

LeeroyJ · Apr 10, 2024

Tazzieman said:
A few minutes out of your life is no biggie. IMO

Yeah in my experience, by the time I am airing up again, its either time for a snack break, or we are just getting back into cell range so people are checking their phones, or the dogs need to piss, or something else, so I really don't remember feeling like we are being inconvenienced by the tires re-inflating. Its a pleasant part of the routine most of the time.

IG_in_AZ · Apr 11, 2024

LeeroyJ said:
One other complication I thought about: That 10.6 cfpm rating is at zero psi, as the pressure in the tire gets higher, the output of the pump (in CFPM terms) will be less, so for example with that MORRFlate TenSix Pro, it drops to 6.5 cfpm at 30 psi. All that to say that the output is not linear, it decreases as the pressure increases, whereas the Shrader valves will remain capped at 2 cfpm regardless of psi (I think?), so at some pressure the compressor would once again become the bottle neck (math way beyond my abilities).

Now that I've had and used the 10-6 Pro several times with other Grenadiers, the guys with the air tanks are hands down the fastest. Obviously, the limit is the capacity of the tank.

By the time I get out the MF spider rig, remove 4 valve caps, uncase the pump, pop the hood, attach everything and set the 10-6 at the desired pressure, I hit the button and walk away. When it stops running, I throw everything back in the bag or in the cargo space of the Grenadier (if we're not done for the day, for example). The slowest is the guys using the single tire inflator pump. But, by the time I've gotten my setup out, attached it, inflated the tires (4 at once) and then put everything away, they're generally about done anyway, so it's a wash for time, but definitely convenient because I'm not stooped over for 10 minutes inflating 4 tires. While they're inflating theirs, I'm walking around, chatting, drinking coffee, taking a bio break or whatever.

Another nice thing is once I have it out, it's super easy to go from truck to truck and inflate others' tires, if they don't have a compressor setup.

ethree · Apr 11, 2024

AZGrenadier said:
Installed the Agile compressor kit today. Very well thought out piece of kit. All the wiring harness came installed, wrapped and cut to length. Really the only difficult part of the install was disassembly and reassembly of the truck. I did break 1 clip removing the rear panel, those buggers are on there. Super impressed with everything. Took 1:45 and inflated one stock KO2 from 19.7 to 39.8psi.

That is a sweet setup.

evomind · Apr 11, 2024

Most of the videos/pics Ive seen probably dont NEED to air down anyways

Reducs · Oct 25, 2024

Logsplitter said:
I’ve got a T-Max compressor and actually used to today to pump my tyre up from dead flat in about 4 minutes. It’s been totally reliable and good value for money. Been with me on several expeditions and never failed. View attachment 7846244

I was searching for compressor recommendations and ran across this thread.

Quick question: Is there any downside to using the under hood jumping terminals to power a compressor like in @Logsplitter's pic instead of connecting directly to the battery? This certainly looks a lot more convenient!

Thanks

Tom109 · Oct 25, 2024

People complain about having to open the bonnet.

nuclearbeef · Tuesday at 1:15 AM

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-M18-18-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Inflator-with-Two-5-0ah-and-Charger-48-59-1852B-2848-20/322134509?irgwc=1&cm_mmc=afl-ir-10078-456723-ih8mud.com&clickid=1QhxVm18ixyNWo8zYmxLo1VOUkCWBzyePWyv3s0

This thing is awesome. A steal at full price ($179 for tool only), but on sale for $199 for tool, 2 batteries and a charger.

angstorms · Tuesday at 1:29 AM

I went with Thor's Lighting Compressor the company out of Weatridge Colorado It same compressor as the Moreflate. Also picked up their Four tire inflate hose kit. Really like their hose setup. Left the stock black hose with compressor at home.

https://thorslightningairsystems.com/

LeeroyJ · Tuesday at 3:41 PM

nuclearbeef said:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-M18-18-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Inflator-with-Two-5-0ah-and-Charger-48-59-1852B-2848-20/322134509?irgwc=1&cm_mmc=afl-ir-10078-456723-ih8mud.com&clickid=1QhxVm18ixyNWo8zYmxLo1VOUkCWBzyePWyv3s0

This thing is awesome. A steal at full price ($179 for tool only), but on sale for $199 for tool, 2 batteries and a charger.

Have you tried this? I haven't seen this one used, but I've seen other portable units like this melt. It'd be nice if someone finally figured out a way to make a durable and capable battery powered inflator. Most seem to be designed to inflate pool toys and bicycle tires, with the occasional car tire. They typically can't stand the duty cycle of inflating four off-road tires multiple times (from a battery life or heat dissipation perspective).

Zimm · Tuesday at 4:12 PM

nuclearbeef said:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-M18-18-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Inflator-with-Two-5-0ah-and-Charger-48-59-1852B-2848-20/322134509?irgwc=1&cm_mmc=afl-ir-10078-456723-ih8mud.com&clickid=1QhxVm18ixyNWo8zYmxLo1VOUkCWBzyePWyv3s0

This thing is awesome. A steal at full price ($179 for tool only), but on sale for $199 for tool, 2 batteries and a charger.

yea. like i pointed out in the other thread, if you carry a 1/2 impact and a sawzall as part of of your wheeling kit, it cant be beat. it never overheats.

AND it has an honest cfm rating.

Zimm · Tuesday at 4:23 PM

LeeroyJ said:
On paper this shouldn't be the case, The Morrflate TenSix has a rated 10.6 CFPM output, but the Schrader valve's are usually 2 CFPM or less, so they become the bottleneck. If you are pumping one tire, you'll be limited by the Schrader valve to only 2CFPM, but if you are pumping 4 you should be able to pump up at 8CFPM. So in theory, those hose splitters should be able to pump four tires up in the same time it takes to fill one.

I say in theory, because that is not at all what I have experienced using a four-tire kit with my double-ARB. It definitely felt faster, but no where near 1/4th the time.

In guess, not theory. Its called fluid dynamics. The smallest orifice, and adding them up, isn't your only "choke" source. The turbulence in the hose and the compressible nature of air is going to screw you with all that length and multiple couplings.

angstorms · Tuesday at 10:28 PM

Most interesting part stopping to fill up tires on the side of the road with hood up, I have people stop first check on me then talk to me about the truck. I have had some interesting conversation run around the San Juans. Four tire inflate nice since your not walking a serially a hose around. You can use it for Deflate too, but I really like Staun deflators.

nuclearbeef · Wednesday at 3:51 PM

LeeroyJ said:
Have you tried this? I haven't seen this one used, but I've seen other portable units like this melt. It'd be nice if someone finally figured out a way to make a durable and capable battery powered inflator. Most seem to be designed to inflate pool toys and bicycle tires, with the occasional car tire. They typically can't stand the duty cycle of inflating four off-road tires multiple times (from a battery life or heat dissipation perspective).

I have used mine quite a bit. No problems with heat or battery life.
It has an internal fan that will continue to blow for a while after heavier use.

I already had Milwaukee stuff and carry my impact whenever offload. Also the sawzall, chainsaw and leaf blower when camping, but the review below is what caused me to pull the trigger on the inflator.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWNYjkh-JyI

Commodore · Wednesday at 4:11 PM

I have been using the Milwaukee M18 Inflator for about a year with great success. I was already standardized on M18 tools so it keeps me on a single cordless system. Because it is cordless I don't have to draw power from the car battery and it is easy to move around. I made a 2 tire octopus for inflating and deflating with a schrader valve for the inlet side. It airs up 2 of my 255/85r17 tires from 15 psi to 35 psi in about 5 minutes. I have a 9.0ah battery that I use with it and that seems to do maybe 5 to 6 four tire inflations before needing a charge. I also have a 12v charger so I can easily charge a battery while driving.

https://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-2848-20-M18-Inflator/dp/B0B1VHG484/?tag=globalgrena0b-20

LeeroyJ · Wednesday at 11:07 PM

nuclearbeef said:
I have used mine quite a bit. No problems with heat or battery life.
It has an internal fan that will continue to blow for a while after heavier use.

I already had Milwaukee stuff and carry my impact whenever offload. Also the sawzall, chainsaw and leaf blower when camping, but the review below is what caused me to pull the trigger on the inflator.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWNYjkh-JyI

I watch Project Farm frequently, I'm a big fan of his reviews. My wife hates it when I watch them though because he speaks so quickly and repeatedly. I'll give that one a watch.

ShootingCar · Thursday at 4:53 AM

I bought this ARB portable air compressor from Amazon. I have been using the clamps to the battery under the passenger seat.
But I plan to remove it from the plastic tool box and fabricate a mount to install it permanently under the passenger seat and wire it to the battery or somewhere else under the rear seats so it always ready there.

Amazon.com

If anybody else has done this and has a mounting plate designed and fabricated, I would love to buy one.

Thanks
Jeff

LeeroyJ · Thursday at 3:06 PM

ShootingCar said:
I bought this ARB portable air compressor from Amazon. I have been using the clamps to the battery under the passenger seat.
But I plan to remove it from the plastic tool box and fabricate a mount to install it permanently under the passenger seat and wire it to the battery or somewhere else under the rear seats so it always ready there.

Amazon.com

If anybody else has done this and has a mounting plate designed and fabricated, I would love to buy one.

Thanks
Jeff

Owl vans has one designed for the under the driver's seat, not sure if it can also be used for the passenger?

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