Steering stabilizer bar

G-Man said:

Has anyone fitted a replacement steering damper in the UK yet? if so what did you go for?

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nuclearbeef said:

I removed my steering stabilizer today.

WOW!! What a difference!

Steering returns to center like most every other vehicle. Low-speed turning of the wheel is MUCH quicker. Three point turns greatly improved. The ability to go quickly lock to lock makes the turning circle feel smaller.
No problem steering with only one hand in parking lots and driveways. One hand steering while pulling out onto a perpendicular street, without fear of ending up on the sidewalk.
Highway tracking is improved as well, but not nearly as much improvement as low-speed.

Death wobble...
Rock solid at speeds up to 65-70 mph.
I hit a large seam in the pavement at 75-80, though and could feel it want to shimmy.
The steering wheel began quick oscillations that reduced in amplitude over a second or so until gone.
This leads me to believe that there is some static instability in the steering system, but that there is positive dynamic stability.

In summary, I'll never put the INEOS steering stabilizer back on!
I will, however; keep my speed down until I can get an OME or Fox stabilizer installed.

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jcurtin said:

Just searched up "death wobble" on the forum as I'm dealing with this issue at the moment. My unit has about 10K miles on it. I had an annoying bell ringing sound that was occurring on my Grenadier when on bumpy dirt roads coming from the steering damper... when I had my vehicle in to dealership for tow package install / routine maintenance, I had them put the fox unit in to address ringing sound, realizing the gains others have spoke of just an added bonus. That said, shortly afterward, I experienced severe and quite close to uncontrollable shaking while on highway at speed of roughly 70mph. The shaking was violent... and I was white knuckling it to get it to the side of the road. I had to park it, Uber an hour and half to an airport to catch a flight, and called the dealer to pick it up and address the issue. They did a detailed review over a week, but could not identify what caused the problem. Best they could gather was "something must have been temporarily caught in a wheel." I was away most of the summer, only recently taking the vehicle out on the highway again. First 60 miles or so... no problem. Then, out of nowhere, the same death wobble happened. No pot hole hit. Just straight, flat highway... again around 65-70mph. Here too, shaking was severe. Bad to point I again parked the car, really unable to drive it other than non highway trips around town. Dealer has now given me a loaner vehicle while they again try to figure out what is going on. Any guidance from others would be helpful as the general sense I'm getting is that I'm making the situation up. Passengers were with me both times... they are now scared to ride in the vehicle. Overall, I love the Grenadier but there is a dangerous issue, hopefully isolated to my vehicle, at play.

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MattG said:

Yes, I installed mine about 2 weeks ago. When driving around town, the steering requires less input to drive in a straight line and returns to centre much easier than with the much stiffer factory steering stabiliser. Easy enough to install. Only took about 30 minutes. Well worth the investment IMHO.

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anand said:

You installed a damper that is notably softer (and less able to dampen large impacts/motions) than the factory damper, it isn't all that surprising you had a wobble at high speed

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anand said:

You installed a damper that is notably softer (and less able to dampen large impacts/motions) than the factory damper, it isn't all that surprising you had a wobble at high speed

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Shopkeep said:

What he said. If you want a solution put the original damper back on it. IMHO it does not matter if you are using the Fox, OME or other aftermarket damper at higher freeway speeds with a softer unit there is a remote chance of "death wobble". My driving is mainly lower speeds in metro areas so the benefit of lighter, easier return to centre steering is worth it.

BTW has anyone actually died from "death" wobble???

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nuclearbeef said:

I might change the stabilizer from the cheap Monroe unit to OME or Fox.

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Tazzieman said:

Monroe?

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Shopkeep said:

What he said. If you want a solution put the original damper back on it. IMHO it does not matter if you are using the Fox, OME or other aftermarket damper at higher freeway speeds with a softer unit there is a remote chance of "death wobble". My driving is mainly lower speeds in metro areas so the benefit of lighter, easier return to centre steering is worth it.

BTW has anyone actually died from "death" wobble???

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anand said:

You installed a damper that is notably softer (and less able to dampen large impacts/motions) than the factory damper, it isn't all that surprising you had a wobble at high speed

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jcurtin said:

Just searched up "death wobble" on the forum as I'm dealing with this issue at the moment. My unit has about 10K miles on it. I had an annoying bell ringing sound that was occurring on my Grenadier when on bumpy dirt roads coming from the steering damper... when I had my vehicle in to dealership for tow package install / routine maintenance, I had them put the fox unit in to address ringing sound, realizing the gains others have spoke of just an added bonus. That said, shortly afterward, I experienced severe and quite close to uncontrollable shaking while on highway at speed of roughly 70mph. The shaking was violent... and I was white knuckling it to get it to the side of the road. I had to park it, Uber an hour and half to an airport to catch a flight, and called the dealer to pick it up and address the issue. They did a detailed review over a week, but could not identify what caused the problem. Best they could gather was "something must have been temporarily caught in a wheel." I was away most of the summer, only recently taking the vehicle out on the highway again. First 60 miles or so... no problem. Then, out of nowhere, the same death wobble happened. No pot hole hit. Just straight, flat highway... again around 65-70mph. Here too, shaking was severe. Bad to point I again parked the car, really unable to drive it other than non highway trips around town. Dealer has now given me a loaner vehicle while they again try to figure out what is going on. Any guidance from others would be helpful as the general sense I'm getting is that I'm making the situation up. Passengers were with me both times... they are now scared to ride in the vehicle. Overall, I love the Grenadier but there is a dangerous issue, hopefully isolated to my vehicle, at play.

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Deano said:

I'm sorry if this has already been asked, but has anyone installed the fox damper from agile to there RHD. You would think it would be just the same, just reversed?

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MattG said:

Yes, I installed mine about 2 weeks ago. When driving around town, the steering requires less input to drive in a straight line and returns to centre much easier than with the much stiffer factory steering stabiliser. Easy enough to install. Only took about 30 minutes. Well worth the investment IMHO.

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LC0013 said:

$695

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