Accessing the Toot Horn

landmannnn said:

So if your 17 yo son/grandson, daughter etc were cycling down the road, would you be happy that some entitled 4x4 driver is blasting their 130db horn at them?

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Norb-TX said:

Did we ever find where it is? We could always spray some electrical protection spray every once in a while.

Million mile development huh?

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Eric said:

To be honest cyclists < 17 years old aren't an issue. It's car drivers that are cycling ( especially during Tour de France week) that leave their road sense and manners back in the car that is the issue. And the new additions to the Highway Code - leave 1.5m passing space for bikes is very annoying, most of the non A and B roads around here are, if I'm lucky if the actual road is 2.2m wide. And don't set me off on logging wagons....

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landmannnn said:

I guess horse riders and pedestrians are annoying too. They don't pay road tax, insurance or carry number plates.
They all should bow to the driving god.

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Shaky said:

I have the Peloton (my nickname) on the roads by me every weekend. Talk about bunch of entitled a***holes. This isn’t one group it’s dozens of them riding around the countryside, and treating the roads like they own them. Riding two or even three abreast and even onto the other side of the road.

I have seen them park their cars all over the village green because in their words “why shouldn’t I”. They left that with massive skid marks and ruts all over it.

Not long after that they decided to have a mothers meeting in the middle of a junction (blocking it) and then looked at me like I was a, C U Next Tuesday when I had the nerve to use the toot button.

It’s not just their attitude to motorists that stinks, I also run in the area and they are ignorant as well, never speak or acknowledge me. Some of the older lone wolfs will speak, but the “real” cyclists, not a chance.

To me, they want the law when it suits them but get to a set of traffic lights and they just ride on through.

Rant over, but I don’t think the vast majority of cyclists don’t help their own cause.

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landmannnn said:

I guess horse riders and pedestrians are annoying too. They don't pay road tax, insurance or carry number plates.
They all should bow to the driving god.

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[ Adam ] said:

Or use a horse trail, sidewalk or bicycle path?

The problem is we're mixing recreational activities in a place with vehicles weighing 10-1000 times more and capable of traveling at much more significant speeds.

It's honestly illogical and unsafe to mix these modalities on the same road, just as it is to put a bicycle on a sidewalk where pedestrian are doing only 1/10th their speed.

Yet somehow, it's become a moral fight that we "share the road", and all we end up with is another wannabe Lance Armstrong chalk outline or a ghost bicycle.

Livestrong, yo.

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Shaky said:

I have the Peloton (my nickname) on the roads by me every weekend. Talk about bunch of entitled a***holes. This isn’t one group it’s dozens of them riding around the countryside, and treating the roads like they own them. Riding two or even three abreast and even onto the other side of the road.

I have seen them park their cars all over the village green because in their words “why shouldn’t I”. They left that with massive skid marks and ruts all over it.

Not long after that they decided to have a mothers meeting in the middle of a junction (blocking it) and then looked at me like I was a, C U Next Tuesday when I had the nerve to use the toot button.

It’s not just their attitude to motorists that stinks, I also run in the area and they are ignorant as well, never speak or acknowledge me. Some of the older lone wolfs will speak, but the “real” cyclists, not a chance.

To me, they want the law when it suits them but get to a set of traffic lights and they just ride on through.

Rant over, but I don’t think the vast majority of cyclists don’t help their own cause.

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landmannnn said:

It's not safe to cycle on many roads because some drivers are incapable of driving with respect to other road users.

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[ Adam ] said:

Its a matter of physics, not courtesy. Even cars & trucks (self driving or otherwise) have collisions. The end result will be the death of the smaller, squishy units.

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landmannnn said:

So it is your responsibility as the driver of the heavy machine to respect more vulnerable road users

You have brakes and a steering wheel which means you can avoid pedestrians, horse riders and pedestrians.

You are victim shaming.

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[ Adam ] said:

If a pedestrian gets hit by a train while he's walking down the tracks - is it the trains fault for not stopping in time, or should they have not been on the tracks?

There's no victim shaming here. Its simply a case of incompatible modalities of travel. You can say whatever you like, but it never makes sense for a pedestrian to walk down the train tracks. It never makes sense for a bicyclist to ride on a road with cars.

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Krabby said:

I live by a simple rule - regardless if I'm in my truck, on my bike, walking, etc. - I have the right of way.

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landmannnn said:

It's not safe to cycle on many roads because some drivers are incapable of driving with respect to other road users.

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