Kahn!

bigleonski said:

I’m sorry but that interior is dingo ugly.

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AngusMacG said:

The fact is that police are being told to stand down on certain infractions and then when an arrest is made either judges toss the case or prosecutors drop the case...

In just my neighborhood we have many homeless/drug addicts out panhandling and then in the evening they are out checking peoples vehicles. Luckily they aren't breaking windows but even with video surveillance evidence the Police will not make an arrest because the person "left the vehicle unlocked".

Crime is Crime...it does not have to be violent to be unlawful.

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AngusMacG said:

NY Bodega Owner

In addition you have cases like the Bodega owner in NY who defended himself but faced charges even though the original perpetrator did not...

When victims become the ones being charged then society is lost.

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[ Adam ] said:

Rampant paranoia caused by fear mongering of the conservative party & 24 hour news machine spewing easily regurgitated hyperbole. In my experience, this is especially noticed in rural and aged populations.


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Crime in the USA is statistically down significantly (property crime 60+%) over the last 20 years.

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See also: Violence and mental illness: an overview
"Members of the public exaggerate both the strength of the association between mental illness and violence and their own personal risk."

What the data says about crime in the U.S.

Federal statistics show dramatic declines in U.S. violent and property crime rates since the early 1990s.

www.pewresearch.org

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AngusMacG said:

i will only speak for myself…massive amounts of people suffering from various mental illnesses wandering the streets since government abdicated citizen safety by closing institutions rather than reform. Not only that but government is also not enforcing our laws and judicial branches are not providing proper sentences for criminal acts even when found guilty.

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Loc Nar said:

Relevant post over in /r/overlanding yesterday (fortunately not sleeping inside at the time):

Some homeless guy lit my truck on fire for no reason

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Loc Nar said:

Relevant post over in /r/overlanding yesterday (fortunately not sleeping inside at the time):

Some homeless guy lit my truck on fire for no reason

Statistics don't mean anything to someone who is actually victimized, and, no, I'm not saying lethal force should be used to defend property by itself. I am saying, everyone ain't all kumbaya out there.

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evomind said:

It was all de-fund the police until a few lefty politicians got car jacked.
Hilarious.
The current gag is how enforcing the border was "Xenophobic" and Sanctuary Cities were a beautiful thing until they shipped the illegals to those cities.
Now they realize that someone has to pay for housing, medical, food, enforcement, etc....
Yeah, I have guns.

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[ Adam ] said:

You mention that this is relevant, how would a firearm have prevented this fire?
I can only assume that the owner of the vehicle was not present while the fire was being lit.

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Loc Nar said:

How is it relevant? Hmm, let's see. Angus says there are lots of people roaming the streets with mental illnesses that pose a danger to the public and the government won't do anything to address it. You say property crime rates are down across the country. and that fear of crime is misplaced and hyperbole. Yesterday, this guy posts about a homeless person committing arson by burning his rig to the ground. You're right, I might as well have been talking about Travis and Taylor.

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[ Adam ] said:

I cited studies based on years of statistics gathered across the country as well as research papers.

You posted a reddit link from a guy in Portland - hardly a trend.

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[ Adam ] said:

Crime is really not about the illegal (or legal) immigrants, though they are a regular target of this and similar xenophobic hyperbole.

According to a Cato Institute study:

The results are similar to our other work on illegal immigration and crime in Texas. In 2018, the illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 782 per 100,000 illegal immigrants, 535 per 100,000 legal immigrants, and 1,422 per 100,000 native‐born Americans. The illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 45 percent below that of native‐born Americans in Texas.

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-research-illegal-immigration-crime-0

I have guns too

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evomind said:

See, the lefty rebuttal....
I didnt say illegals were the cause of crime (but you can read the news).
YOU made the connection to illegals and crime, not I.
My point was to show how another lefty policy that was forced on everyone and now that funding, budgets, and where to send them runs thin, the ideology is being walked back.
It was actually relevant to the de fund police policy as now they're both being walked back.
Im not going to convince you nor you me.

So, when is your truck due or did you get it already?

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Lord Ripon USA said:

this looks pretty good to me, except for a couple things…
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that open pattern makes me dizzy, and the piping seams on the consul are uneven. On Ineos’ end, that left grab bar needs to be some kind of a space to store stuff near at hand like every other SUV of this size. I absolutely love the tray in the defenders and the land cruisers. It is so handy when you get into the vehicle with a bunch of cartridges, or gloves, or your cell phone or any of the other crap you just want to off load for a couple of minutes into a tray. And the grenadier doesn’t have any of that.
within two weeks of starting to use mine, I’m going to have empty cartridges, sandwich wrappers, beer cans, cigar wraps, transmitters, radios, tools, keys, hand guns, napkins, dog collars, God knows what all else, rolling around under both seats because there’s no place to put stuff.

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[ Adam ] said:

In my experience, this is especially noticed in rural and aged populations.

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DaveB said:

That's strange.
I have had mine for months and don't have any of those things rolling around in it.

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Lord Ripon USA said:

Everybody does things differently. I am short waisted and I don't like sitting on my .45.
I compulsively pick up trash, so I accumulate detritus. My state has a .10 refund for an aluminum can, so I have an eye for a beer can at 50 meters. I pick up a few thousand in the woods every year.
Usually I just toss them into the passenger footwell until disposal.
Before anyone asks, the boot is reserved for dogs , gear, and guns.

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DaveB said:

Yes, everybody does things differently.
Not sure what short waisted means but i wouldn't want to sit on a handgun regardless of the calibre.
Mine is a .357 magnum with a 6" barrell so it would be very uncomfortable to sit on.
Picking up rubbish is very commendable, but throwing it on the passenger footwell is pretty disgusting.
We have a guy who occasionally comes to the park down the road to go through the bins for cans and bottles and his passenger and rear seat is full.
I never see him with a woman in the car for some reason.
That is exactly what the boot is intended for, assuming you are not taking the guns to a future mass shooting.

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terdrocket said:

My Seecamp .32 is so small, you can't tell it's in your back pocket. Perfect every day carry.

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