Americas Making a spare key?

OverlandGearGuy · Feb 8, 2024

Bruce said:
Maybe we need @OverlandGearGuy to whip up some nice waterproof bum bags. The 4Runner I had came with a nice sealed "dumb key" with a transponder but no buttons. Ineos missed a big opportunity.

I am sure I can come up with something that will work ;-)

Krabby · Feb 8, 2024

OverlandGearGuy said:
Those are cool

Get crakin' Overland Key Guy

OverlandGearGuy · Feb 8, 2024

Krabby said:
Get crakin' Overland Key Guy

ON it LOL

I will send you pics of your Radio Pouch around noon today, so watch for that.
Everything is done

Krabby · Feb 8, 2024

OverlandGearGuy said:
ON it LOL

I will send you pics of your Radio Pouch around noon today, so watch for that.
Everything is done

Sweet - but no rush - unless the pouch needs PA temp tags. Then get a move on

255/85 · Feb 8, 2024

Tazzieman said:
Guy on FB had one cut by hand from a Renault blank.
All you then have to do is hide the main one under the car or in the bushes.
I've been meaning to visit my locksmith.

I was under the impression that a key in the door defeaats the alarm, and a key in the ignition disables the immobilizer - but that's not true? I thought someone on here did it very early on.

stickshifter · Feb 8, 2024

Tazzieman said:
Doesn't sound like a key for remote adventurers then.
I'll have to take extra precautions.

I used to surf with my key in the wetsuit pocket - at least in Rhode Island. On Cape Cod, you just left the key in the ignition - no worries. I miss both those things: keys that can go surfing, and beach parking lots that were safe.

m18rus · Feb 8, 2024

OverlandGearGuy said:
Those are cool

Your local man can cut them. The blanks are here. Though the transponder bit doesn't match but it gives you access without the factory remote. Regards https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/32598249...d=link&campid=5338980679&toolid=20001&mkevt=1

stickshifter · Feb 8, 2024

If you had an onboard safe, you could lock your factory RFID key in the safe, and use the mechanical key cut at the hardware store to manually lock and unlock the vehicle. Any problems with this option? Can someone use an RFID cloner or something like that?

Then @Tazzieman can go surfing with his key. The mechanical key will also be easier to tuck away if you are going for a run, or otherwise feel the need to travel light.

I've got one of these from Lock'er Down in my center console. Its a great place to leave your wallet and phone when out for a run.

DaBull · Feb 8, 2024

stickshifter said:
If you had an onboard safe, you could lock your factory RFID key in the safe, and use the mechanical key cut at the hardware store to manually lock and unlock the vehicle. Any problems with this option? Can someone use an RFID cloner or something like that?

Then @Tazzieman can go surfing with his key. The mechanical key will also be easier to tuck away if you are going for a run, or otherwise feel the need to travel light.

I've got one of these from Lock'er Down in my center console. Its a great place to leave your wallet and phone when out for a run.

View attachment 7843181

I use this oversized lock box that fits larger RFID keys when I go surfing. I just connect it to my tow hooks on my New Defender and will do the same on the Grenadier. From my testing of it, if shields RFID signals so no one can clone it, (test yourself). It is an extremely robust lock box with a large thick shackle. No need for me to take a key with me when I go surfing. DaBull

Key Safe Deluxe

Description Secure / Durable / Simple With the FK Key Safe there's no more lost keys in the surf or at the beach. Simply pack it, lock it and go surfing. Massive Key storage area Twin Locking Mechanism Hardened Metal Case Foam backed to protect car 10,000 code combinations Total Space = L70mm x...

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stickshifter · Feb 8, 2024

DaBull said:
I use this oversized lock box that fits larger RFID keys when I go surfing. I just connect it to my tow hooks

But seriously: great idea!

lagartoboy · Feb 8, 2024

DaBull said:
I use this oversized lock box that fits larger RFID keys when I go surfing. I just connect it to my tow hooks on my New Defender and will do the same on the Grenadier. From my testing of it, if shields RFID signals so no one can clone it, (test yourself). It is an extremely robust lock box with a large thick shackle. No need for me to take a key with me when I go surfing. DaBull

Key Safe Deluxe

Description Secure / Durable / Simple With the FK Key Safe there's no more lost keys in the surf or at the beach. Simply pack it, lock it and go surfing. Massive Key storage area Twin Locking Mechanism Hardened Metal Case Foam backed to protect car 10,000 code combinations Total Space = L70mm x...

travelersurfclub.com

Thanks DaBull, I’m ordering.

Bruce · Feb 8, 2024

The crooks around here have these, so the key lockbox isn't a good option.

DaBull · Feb 9, 2024

Bruce said:
The crooks around here have these, so the key lockbox isn't a good option.
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Yes, that's always a possibility. Can't defeat a determined thief or maybe you can......
Perhaps use the lock box and put a dummy RFID Key inside it or no key and then hide your real key in a shielded RFID bag somewhere in the car that only you know where it is and then get a Non-RFID key blank made that works just the the door and you take that key surfing with you. Also add a label to the outside of the lock box that says "You are being recorded" and inside the box "F....U!
Love to piss them off. DaBull

grnamin · Apr 16, 2024

Bruce said:
The immobilizer is RFID based and works independently of the key fob battery.

@Bruce, any idea if the RFID component is embedded in the key or in the fob?

Bruce · Apr 16, 2024

grnamin said:
@Bruce, any idea if the RFID component is embedded in the key or in the fob?

It's usually in the body of the keyfob. If you watch one of the install videos for an AJT Designs key you'll see what the chip looks like.

Logsplitter · Apr 16, 2024

I hope the seal is on the Ineos key is as good as the Mitsubishi key. . A few years back I had a new 2012 Mitsubishi L200 Barbarian. Within a few weeks of ownership I dropped the keys into the water at a Marina on the south coast of U.K. I marked the spot, ordered a sea searcher magnet on line then went back 5 days later and retrieved my keys. They worked first time to unlock and start the engine. Very impressed with that as Mitsubishi wanted a lot of money for a replacement set.

grnamin · Apr 17, 2024

1) Removed battery from fob - key turns all the way to ignition success.
2) Removed key from fob - key turns just before point of ignition and stops. Can't start vehicle.
3) With key still removed from fob, but fob right next to key - same as #2.
4) Reattached key to fob, still no battery - key turns all the way to ignition success.

I called my local dealer to ask if they could make a key sans remote (with imbedded chip) and the rep I spoke to said he'd contact Ineos about it. He said he'd call me back later in the day with an update and he did. Ineos hasn't replied yet and he would follow-up again today.

grnamin · Apr 18, 2024

Got a follow-up call from Sewell. They said Ineos doesn't offer a valet key type solution at this time. An Ineos parts rep was at the dealership yesterday and the valet key was suggested to them. Parts rep said it was a good idea since they hadn't thought of offering that. If you have an aftermarket alarm system, you'll still have to carry the bulky Ineos remote with you. Locksmiths won't be able to clone keys because Ineos will never share the transponder codes.

grnamin · Apr 23, 2024

Update: I was able to start the vehicle with the key like this...

I think that's the transponder the arrow points to.

LWA55DAL · Apr 23, 2024

Guys,
I started a new thread on the key programming before I stumbled across this thread. As I suspected - the key setup is a typical transponder key with a remote so you SHOULD be able to simply find the key and program the transponder separate from the remote and have a “valet key”. I have done this many time on keyed vehicles and it works great. It appears the keys are the same as Renault and Peugeot, but I need to verify that the transponders from those vehicles can be programmed and I need to track down the programming sequence. In most vehicles you do NOT need the dealer to do this as long as you have at least one functioning master key that is programmed to the vehicle. With that key you can program the new key, subject to a sequence to program the key. I certainly hope that is the case and I am researching. As soon as I find the answer I will post it.

Any chance you can post some pictures of the other side of the board in the key? There is typically an FCC ID # for the remote and there might be a model # for the transponder as well. With those, you can track down the actual key manufacturer and the see what it cross references to. There is no way that INEOS didn’t just rob this from someone else, we just need to figure out who.

Thanks!!!

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