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Interesting - the new Land Cruiser pictures on the Toyota web site - imitation is the highest form of lazy I guess....

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I don't think Toyota's constant reminder of "getting back to simple" is coincidental either
 
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A waste of time vehicle which will cost a bomb when it lands. It is just a facelifted same old same. Still running the same engine as the dated Hilux...
 
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A waste of time vehicle which will cost a bomb when it lands. It is just a facelifted same old same. Still running the same engine as the dated Hilux...
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Here in the US we only get it with the "new-ish" 4 cylinder hybrid that the 4th gen Tacoma gets...

I think you are thinking of the new 70 series....
 
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It is more of a New Defender than a Grenadier....

However...that reminds me of a nice picture a German car magazine "sold" as real....They printed these "brand new cars" in two different issues of their magazine a few years ago, when Land Rover started to talkabout the Defender successor (DC100).

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I really dont think Toyota is "copying" much if anything that Ineos is doing.
Toyota generally chases the mass market sales strategy and frankly the 2 vehicles look nothing alike to me except they are both SUVs so some similarities will be common among like kind vehicles.
 
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anand said:
Here in the US we only get it with the "new-ish" 4 cylinder hybrid that the 4th gen Tacoma gets...

I think you are thinking of the new 70 series....
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Actually it will be with a twin turbo v6 - putting out about 360hp. It is the same platform as the GX Lexus who will also offer a revamped overland package. Pricing of the LC starts about $50k - so right at the Grenadier starting point - and head well north from there.

They do have an upside - high reliability and dealer network of Toyota and Lexus.
 
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YellowLab said:
Actually it will be with a twin turbo v6 - putting out about 360hp. It is the same platform as the GX Lexus who will also offer a revamped overland package. Pricing of the LC starts about $50k - so right at the Grenadier starting point - and head well north from there.

They do have an upside - high reliability and dealer network of Toyota and Lexus.
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The LC in the US is 4 cylinder hybrid only. The GX550 gets the V6TT... Same sort of difference as the previous generations of 4Runners and GX's... The GX always gets the better motor (except for 4th gen 4Runners that had the V8 as an option)
 
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anand said:
The LC in the US is 4 cylinder hybrid only. The GX550 gets the V6TT... Same sort of difference as the previous generations of 4Runners and GX's... The GX always gets the better motor (except for 4th gen 4Runners that had the V8 as an option)
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The 4cyl hybrid looks pretty beefy as far as HP and Torque -
 
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The biggest risk is how long the 4 banger will last. Ppl are used to 350k miles out of Toyota. I think you get 150k before the engine is dead. I have the 4 banger in my l663 and it has to work to get the weight moving. Right now everyone with LR 4 banger is dealing with coolant burn off. Every month ppl are adding coolant. It's not in oil or a leak from the tube. It's needs it to keep cool.
 
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Every month ppl are adding coolant. It's not in oil or a leak from the tube. It's needs it to keep cool.
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Hopefully it's burning and it isn't coolant migration.... We dealt with so many cases of that in the VW/Audi world
 
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The biggest risk is how long the 4 banger will last. Ppl are used to 350k miles out of Toyota. I think you get 150k before the engine is dead. I have the 4 banger in my l663 and it has to work to get the weight moving. Right now everyone with LR 4 banger is dealing with coolant burn off. Every month ppl are adding coolant. It's not in oil or a leak from the tube. It's needs it to keep cool.
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It's a hybrid engine - so a big share of the work is being done with electric motors as well. If there were not electric motors I would agree its a lot to move with just 4
 
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It's a hybrid engine - so a big share of the work is being done with electric motors as well. If there were not electric motors I would agree its a lot to move with just 4
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Hybrid drive, not engine - probably the same hybrid as in the new Tacoma. Not something I’m interested in, or expect to be able to drive for 20 years.

“Unlike Toyota's other, more car-based hybrids, which assist their gas engines with two electric motors (a starter-generator and a more powerful motor) and work through planetary-type continuously variable transmissions to help manage the trio of power inputs, the Tacoma's system places a single large electric motor between the engine and the otherwise conventional eight-speed automatic transmission (the motor takes the place of the torque converter).”

Full Motortrend article here.
 
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