General Oil check

DCPU · May 23, 2023

marko said:
@DCPU don’t know so perhaps you would like to enlighten me?

It was a genuine question not a sarky comment.

Arkaig · May 23, 2023

DCPU said:
...of an oil not available in the UK!

DCPU said:
From the Owner's Manual the recommended Engine Oil is Petronas Syntium 0W30 DG.

The Petronas Syntium 0W30 DG engine oil apparently is available to order as a specific INEOS part through any INEOS Sales or Service Agent and supplied from the Belgium Parts Centre - sorry I don't have the specific part number. Sounds expensive to me buying oil in this manner, I supect buying oil meeting SAE 0/5W-30 BMW LL-12FE for diesel, SAE 0/5W-20 BMW LL-17FE for petrol will be cheaper.

WhiteBear · May 23, 2023

What was the oil-level when you inspected the dipstick? Was it between Min/Max and did you have the same readout at the display?

Arkaig · May 23, 2023

The oil filter for a diesel engine is INEOS part no: GRA-1000-012600 or BMW part no: 1142 7 826 799.

marko · May 23, 2023

DCPU said:
It was a genuine question not a sarky comment.

Haven’t found any references/restrictions the number of turbochargers the oil is suitable for

emax · May 24, 2023

DCPU said:
I tried to take a reading but it's not that clear to read, other than yes, there's oil in there.

One could interpret the photo as a massive overfill.

MarkH · May 24, 2023

DCPU said:
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And yes, I tried to take a reading but it's not that clear to read, other than yes, there's oil in there.

Was the motor cold, did you clean off and dip again? Sunlight on the gauge helps see the level.

DCPU · May 24, 2023

blueTdi said:
What was the oil-level when you inspected the dipstick? Was it between Min/Max and did you have the same readout at the display?

Is was difficult to read the dipstick after a couple of dips.

Also not knowing whether it needed reading cold, hot or even with the engine running; or indeed if it was calibrated at all for the Grenadier given the Owner's Manual stating:

"WARNING: The Diesel B57 engine does have a dipstick in the engine bay, however this must NOT be used to check engine oil level."

I pretty much ignored it.

The readout display stated OK for on road but refill 500ml for off road.

AWo · May 24, 2023

DCPU said:
"WARNING: The Diesel B57 engine does have a dipstick in the engine bay, however this must NOT be used to check engine oil level."

I pretty much ignored it.

So is it only intended for a quick oil change? And if there are marks on the stick, what are they for?

Any BMW specialists here?

AWo

DCPU · May 24, 2023

AWo said:
So is it only intended for a quick oil change? And if there are marks on the stick, what are they for?

Any BMW specialists here?

AWo

Well it's definitely there, so those that like the vacuum method of removing oil at least have a way in.

As per the photo, the dipstick appears to have BMW branding within the molding, so a first working assumption would be that it's designed to be readable with standard/other versions of the BMW engine. In the Grenadier, with perhaps a different engine installation angle and bespoke sump, and two reading levels (on road and off road) then it isn't functional as a measure.

Maybe, in due time, someone will do a little more investigation during an oil change and record the number of litres of oil that correspond to the set positions on the dipstick?

cheswick · May 24, 2023

DCPU said:
We are in danger of replicating the other oil thread:

https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/diesel-oil-specification-thread-b57-engines.12411746/

But in summary many of the spec sheets for the BMW spec oil state they are NOT suitable for multi turbo engines. We have a multi turbo engine...

if the oil meets the specification set out by ineos, which many people have posted again and again and again and even a picture a few posts above then it can be used in the car. Marketing material does not overide the laboratory tested specification of the oil. If Ineos are saying the diesel spec oil is LL-12FE then you can use LL-12FE spec oil no matter the colour, brand, marketing, shape of bottle, etc.

DCPU · May 24, 2023

Ineos have said many things that have turned out later to be incorrect, what's hard to understand about asking them for clarification/confirmation on an issue as important as this?

I look forward to you trying to jack the rear of the vehicle off the place Ineos say you should without applying even a modicum of common sense, just because they say you can.

cheswick · May 24, 2023

DCPU said:
Ineos have said many things that have turned out later to be incorrect, what's hard to understand about asking them for clarification/confirmation on an issue as important as this?

I look forward to you trying to jack the rear of the vehicle off the place Ineos say you should without applying even a modicum of common sense, just because they say you can.

cheswick · May 24, 2023

It’s confirmed, stamped there on the car, the words convey the information you are seeking.

Arkaig · May 24, 2023

Here's a screenprint direct from the INEOS portal relative to an oil change on a diesel engine:

The critical element is regard to the oil specification for a diesel engine is ACEA C2.

Arkaig said:
The Petronas Syntium 0W30 DG engine oil apparently is available to order as a specific INEOS part through any INEOS Sales or Service Agent and supplied from the Belgium Parts Centre - sorry I don't have the specific part number. Sounds expensive to me buying oil in this manner, I supect buying oil meeting SAE 0/5W-30 BMW LL-12FE for diesel, SAE 0/5W-20 BMW LL-17FE for petrol will be cheaper.

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My earlier posting is wholly incorrect - my apologies. Oils are not available for order or supply through the INEOS Parts system.

AWo · May 24, 2023

CheJ said:
if the oil meets the specification set out by ineos, which many people have posted again and again and again and even a picture a few posts above then it can be used in the car. Marketing material does not overide the laboratory tested specification of the oil. If Ineos are saying the diesel spec oil is LL-12FE then you can use LL-12FE spec oil no matter the colour, brand, marketing, shape of bottle, etc.

That is the purpose of specifications. For a standard engine.

AWo

DCPU · May 24, 2023

CheJ said:
It’s confirmed, stamped there on the car, the words convey the information you are seeking.

That's never been the issue ~ why pretend it is?

Wilaspira · May 29, 2023

For info I just carried out an oil check in a diesel N1 5 seater post c830miles, all looks ok albeit my instinct would be to put in another 500ml to be on safe side on and off road (can this be done or is the vehicle then over filled for road use?)

Eric · May 29, 2023

Wilaspira said:
For info I just carried out an oil check in a diesel N1 5 seater post c830miles, all looks ok albeit my instinct would be to put in another 500ml to be on safe side on and off road (can this be done or is the vehicle then over filled for road use?)

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Compromise and put 250ml and then re-measure??

Wilaspira · May 29, 2023

Eric said:
Compromise and put 250ml and then re-measure??

Yes perhaps that’s the right compromise and least “bad” option (ie slightly too much oil for road use and slightly too little for off-road)

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