Ineos provided hydraulic bottle jack

DCPU · May 22, 2023

CountyV8 said:
Hi DCPU My jack /handle has the same faults as yours plus the fact the same bit broke off and cant get the screw to screw out .

It's good to know that at least quality is consistent.

CountyV8 said:
Also some jacks I have seen have rubber pads on the to perhaps??

Ah, there is a "smudge" that once looks like it was a rubber pad in some of my photos. It is now glued to the lower left retaining hole of where the cover goes.

DCPU · May 22, 2023

Gwynne said:
Great and very informative discussion and posts. Do more knowledgeable people than I consider that jacking up from the rock slider is a better overall solution than trying to get to the wheel axles?

It depends.

Pros:
Easier access
Safer access
Easier to locate it correctly

Cons:
Will take longer to jack (need to account for suspension droop)
Jack height will be taller under load and more prone to any instability

If I have a chance, I'll jack off one and take a few photos.

Tazzieman · May 22, 2023

DCPU said:
If I have a chance, I'll jack off one and take a few photos.

Would you say that in a pub?

DCPU · May 22, 2023

I don't know what you mean...

globalgregors · May 22, 2023

DCPU said:
It depends.

Pros:
Easier access
Safer access
Easier to locate it correctly

Cons:
Will take longer to jack (need to account for suspension droop)
Jack height will be taller under load and more prone to any instability

If I have a chance, I'll jack off one and take a few photos.

Oh, with the bottle jack? I misunderstood the question.

No, I wouldn’t be doing that for the reason listed (too high/unstable).
Usual reason is that most bottlebjacks have a much shorter range of motion, at least in my experience.

Of course we’ll never really know until we see DCPUs receipts, although I’m now not sure what to expect.

Tazzieman · May 22, 2023

Whilst we mention jacking off the side with Hi Lifts , I found a good old Ronny vid.
He doesn't seem to get bogged much these days, which I guess is a reflection of his driving and vehicle capabilities as much as the selection of tracks.

View: https://youtu.be/9FRMK7ZstaY

acwiltshire · May 22, 2023

AnD3rew said:
Hope you guys are taking back to agents for warranty, INEOS needs to know if they aren’t up to scratch and recall if it’s a common problem

Absolutely. we should use the forum combined knowledge as leverage, bit in a positive sense. Best get let ineos corre t it with 4000 vehicles than 20k and court case in US

DCPU · May 22, 2023

AnD3rew said:
Hope you guys are taking back to agents for warranty, INEOS needs to know if they aren’t up to scratch and recall if it’s a common problem

Well we have resident agents on the forum - wouldn't it be easier to ask if they can draw the various issues we are flagging to the attention of Ineos formally and obtain feedback - maybe even invite them onto here?

At present I'm still awaiting dealer feedback from last week's email of queries.

DCPU · May 22, 2023

globalgregors said:
Oh, with the bottle jack? I misunderstood the question.

Already done with a hilift, post #100:

Side steps versus Rock sliders

I have seen where the jack is housed inside the rear of the IG. Has anyone sees 1) where the jack's arm is put away indie the car and 2) where the jack is fitted underneath the IG in order to raise the car?

www.theineosforum.com

AnD3rew · May 22, 2023

DCPU said:
Well we have resident agents on the forum - wouldn't it be easier to ask if they can draw the various issues we are flagging with Ineos formally and obtain feedback - maybe even invite them onto here?

At present I'm still awaiting dealer feedback from last week's email of queries.

I think that’s good as well, but with most company quality systems they will log any official warranty claims and look for trends. If they see a trend of failures thats what triggers change of suppliers and recalls etc. so I suggest any issues people have they take to agents early and log was warranty issues so they get caught in their systems. Having agents listen to customer complaints is good and one hopes they are feeding back, but nothing like having hard evidence to show the boss and show a supplier that something needs to be done.

globalgregors · May 23, 2023

DCPU said:
Already done with a hilift, post #100:

Side steps versus Rock sliders

I have seen where the jack is housed inside the rear of the IG. Has anyone sees 1) where the jack's arm is put away indie the car and 2) where the jack is fitted underneath the IG in order to raise the car?

www.theineosforum.com

Oh, indeed - forgot about that!

When the vehicle (eventually*) comes through and we spend a day practicing recoveries I'll bust out the ARB Jack and take a couple of pics/videos by way of comparison.

* presently MIA in terms of production/delivery status: the wait continues.

DCPU · May 23, 2023

AnD3rew said:
I think that’s good as well, but with most company quality systems they will log any official warranty claims and look for trends. If they see a trend of failures thats what triggers change of suppliers and recalls etc. so I suggest any issues people have they take to agents early and log was warranty issues so they get caught in their systems. Having agents listen to customer complaints is good and one hopes they are feeding back, but nothing like having hard evidence to show the boss and show a supplier that something needs to be done.

It's what the handbook says to do...

AWo · May 23, 2023

globalgregors said:
But if something drastic happens (sheared wheel studs/lost a wheel/sitting on the rim etc) then the high lift is the pick as it will be very difficult to get the bottle jack into a position where the axle can be safely lifted to permit repairs (because obviously in this case the axle itself is on the ground).

Do you mean something like this (happened to a Toyota Land Cruiser on Icelands tracks, all studs sheared off)?

A simple and light scissor jack did the trick. Always on board...(see trailing arm).

Cheers
AWo

DCPU · May 23, 2023

globalgregors said:
Not for changing a wheel, see the Puncture thread (how do I link to an entire thread?)

Puncture

The only thing I wonder is whether the holes in the steel rims are large enough to permit the hooks…? I’ll check later👍🏼

www.theineosforum.com

I'd be happy to change a wheel on the Grenadier with a Hilift ~ more so than with the current Ineos provided bottle jack...

globalgregors said:
But if something drastic happens (sheared wheel studs/lost a wheel/sitting on the rim etc) then the high lift is the pick as it will be very difficult to get the bottle jack into a position where the axle can be safely lifted to permit repairs (because obviously in this case the axle itself is on the ground).

I wonder if it's safe to assume that someone at Ineos has actually checked that the provided bottle jack will fit under the axles with a fully deflated tyre?

globalgregors · May 23, 2023

AWo said:
Do you mean something like this (happened to a Toyota Land Cruiser on Icelands tracks, all studs sheared off)?

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A simple and light scissor jack did the trick. Always on board...(see trailing arm).

Cheers
AWo

Yup, that’s the one. Bottle jack as the only option would be a bit of a bummer.

DCPU · May 23, 2023

I don't know, you'd just hunt around for a suitable jacking place on the chassis...

globalgregors · May 23, 2023

DCPU said:
Puncture

The only thing I wonder is whether the holes in the steel rims are large enough to permit the hooks…? I’ll check later👍🏼

www.theineosforum.com

I'd be happy to change a wheel on the Grenadier with a Hilift ~ more so than with the current Ineos provided bottle jack...

I wonder if it's safe to assume that someone at Ineos has actually checked that the provided bottle jack will fit under the axles with a fully deflated tyre?

Sod’s Law will reliably deliver a failure beyond that which we’ve conceived and prepared for, usually when one is low on fuel/water/comms/provisions/spouse goodwill.

Tazzieman · May 28, 2023

globalgregors said:
Sod’s Law will reliably deliver a failure beyond that which we’ve conceived and prepared for, usually when one is low on fuel/water/comms/provisions/spouse goodwill.

And spirits. Esp if you used up all the gin to emergency light fires.

globalgregors · May 28, 2023

Tazzieman said:
And spirits. Esp if you used up all the gin to emergency light fires.

Hannah being English means that there is no such thing as spare gin.
The bonfire seen by her rescuers will be me if that runs out.

Tazzieman · May 28, 2023

globalgregors said:
Hannah being English means that there is no such thing as spare gin.
The bonfire seen by her rescuers will be me if that runs out.

Gilbeys - uprated springs?

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