Removable draw system

DenisM · Mar 27, 2023

Schoeniman said:
I had the same question, when the idea of an overloading Grenadier came up.
Main principle for the build was to be able to remove the setup within max 5 mins.
So we finally decided to build a double drawer system for an ARB Zero 44L and a Layzee kitchen box from Aluminium profiles according to the ITEM standard.
Item offers a great 3D engineering tool on their website for free! Item.engineering
Top will be covered with Aluminium checker plate. Sides will be filled with a lighter “plastic” material, as they don‘t have any structural relevance.
box „boxes“ can be locked together front an back. Then the structure will be connected to the 2 latches at each side of the trunk using turnbuckles.
I‘ve bought 130kg slides to be build into the structure, which then will be covered with a screen printing plate on each side.
Dimensions are: 106cm wide, 51cm high and 91cm deep. The 91cm require the passenger backrest to be fixed in a more upright position, which is of ok for us, since we‘re going to remove the seat pads anyway to create space for 2 race bicycles there.
Fron Runner Slimline on the roof with a iKamper Skycamp 3.0 connected and you have a cyclists dream Overlander.
please ask if you need more details.

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My only word of caution "BEWARE" the rough edges of the "checker" plate surface, which will very quickly wear through whatever is stored on top as a result of constant rubbing due to vibrations and general movement (unless you cover the checker plate for example, marine carpet or some other smooth material). A lesson learned the hard way years ago....

( it concerned a "slab" (2 dozen cans) of beer and a case of red wine....

Schoeniman · Mar 27, 2023

DenisM said:
My only word of caution "BEWARE" the rough edges of the "checker" plate surface, which will very quickly wear through whatever is stored on top as a result of constant rubbing due to vibrations and general movement (unless you cover the checker plate for example, marine carpet or some other smooth material). A lesson learned the hard way years ago.... ( it concerned a "slab" (2 dozen cans) of beer and a case of red wine....

Great feedback! Many thanks…I might move to a wooden top covered with carpet

Rok_Dr · Mar 27, 2023

DenisM said:
FWIW: "Boab" ( www.boaboffroad.com.au) manufacture a range of tapered slimline water "(50L) and diesel(40L) tanks which fill the otherwise "lost" space behind a sloping seat back or sloping cargo barrier. The diesel tank is vented and can be connected to the vehicle fuel tank vent system ...

Thanks @DenisM. I do like Boab’s tanks, especially the low profile wedge one and I may ultimately go that route. Things I need to consider (but don’t have answers to ATM) before I head down that road are how to secure the tank so it doesn’t become a deadly projectile in a crash and whether I can easily refill without having to unpack everything given I have specified a cargo barrier In my build.

Cheers
Steve

Rok_Dr · Mar 27, 2023

IG_in_AZ said:
Rotopax not meet your needs? I'll agree, I'm liking that one in the Black Sheep photo mounted to the molle mount over the rear side window. Waiting to find out more about the load capacity and added width, if it is road worthy with the thing mounted.

Not sure if there's a way to mount it horizontally in the cargo area, but who knows?

Thanks @IG_in_AZ. Rotopax are a neat idea, but they are very expensive here in Australia compared to a 20l jerry can, of which I have many

. The Black sheep mount too is interesting and I‘ll be curious as to what weight it can hold. As to whether side mounted external fuel storage is legal here I can’t say.

Ideally I’m looking for a internal tank setup I can draw from and fill up without unpacking the vehicle and which can be easily removed between trips.

Cheers
Steve

DenisM · Mar 27, 2023

Rok_Dr said:
Thanks @IG_in_AZ. Rotopax are a neat idea, but they are very expensive here in Australia compared to a 20l jerry can, of which I have many . The Black sheep mount too is interesting and I‘ll be curious as to what weight it can hold. As to whether side mounted external fuel storage is legal here I can’t say.

Ideally I’m looking for a internal tank setup I can draw from and fill up without unpacking the vehicle and which can be easily removed between trips.

Cheers
Steve

For internal storage I have considered a suitably sized Rhino HDPE cargo case with a marine fuel bladder inside. A screw-on fuel cap and outlet can be fixed through the case for ease of access without opening the case. A vent is not (necessarily) required because of the nature of the bladder... sufficient expansion capacity inside the case could be accommodated depending on the relative capacities of the case and the bladder. A possible location for the case would be between the wheel arches over the rear axle for weight distribution, and strapped to the internal utility rails.

Refuelling: Am wondering about cutting a hinged panel into the RH wheel-arch housing behind which is the fuel tank inlet. A spring-loaded self sealing "Nitto" type air fitting could be screwed into the fuel tank inlet . A similar fitting could be attached to the bladder outlet. A suitable hose with the appropriate fittings and low pressure 12V fuel pump goes in between....

@Stu_Barnes Perhaps the last few posts might be transferred to the thread "my plans for extra fuel capacity" ?

Schoeniman · Mar 27, 2023

DenisM said:
My only word of caution "BEWARE" the rough edges of the "checker" plate surface, which will very quickly wear through whatever is stored on top as a result of constant rubbing due to vibrations and general movement (unless you cover the checker plate for example, marine carpet or some other smooth material). A lesson learned the hard way years ago.... ( it concerned a "slab" (2 dozen cans) of beer and a case of red wine....

@DenisM again many thanks for your advice! Double checked with my Aluminum supplier and he confirmed, that the checker plate Alu would „eat“ and luggage, that is rubbing against it.
I will move to HPL now instead….

Rok_Dr · Mar 27, 2023

DenisM said:
For internal storage I have considered a suitably sized Rhino HDPE cargo case with a marine fuel bladder inside. A screw-on fuel cap and outlet can be fixed through the case for ease of access without opening the case. A vent is not (necessarily) required because of the nature of the bladder... sufficient expansion capacity inside the case could be accommodated depending on the relative capacities of the case and the bladder. A possible location for the case would be between the wheel arches over the rear axle for weight distribution, and strapped to the internal utility rails.

Refuelling: Am wondering about cutting a hinged panel into the RH wheel-arch housing behind which is the fuel tank inlet. A spring-loaded self sealing "Nitto" type air fitting could be screwed into the fuel tank inlet . A similar fitting could be attached to the bladder outlet. A suitable hose with the appropriate fittings and low pressure 12V fuel pump goes in between....

@Stu_Barnes Perhaps the last few posts might be transferred to the thread "my plans for extra fuel capacity" ?

Thanks again Denis. Even though I have a 40l footwell bladder for the discovery I'd totally forgotten about them for fuel storage. I just wonder how they would go being filled up from a bowser.

PS good idea making this a separate thread

DenisM · Mar 27, 2023

Rok_Dr said:
Thanks again Denis. Even though I have a 40l footwell bladder for the discovery I'd totally forgotten about them for fuel storage. I just wonder how they would go being filled up from a bowser.

PS good idea making this a separate thread

I watched a fellow doing just that about a year ago... he filled it on the usual servo pump flow for the first 20 or so litres then slowed...I seem to recall it was about a 50L bladder. He was practised because there was no sudden fuel spurt. He had the bladder (looked like a large pillow) secured with four webbing straps -one from each corner to the tie downs in the rear of his Isuzu "MUX" wagon. ... I'm not sure how he'd arranged to decant the fuel into the vehicle...

Mumblepants · Mar 28, 2023

grenadierboy said:
I would like to see it in person but I'm not going to Perth!

You could do the Nullabore!

IG_in_AZ · Mar 28, 2023

Back on topic, I plan to do a drawer system. One of the more well known brands is Truck Vault. I've had some work trucks that had them installed, and they seemed to be very well built. I'd like to have one that basically fills in the rear storage area and is the same height as the folded rear seats, to make the entire area behind the driver's seat as close to the same height as possible, to be able to sleep in the area if needed. They are not, however, removable, rather are security biased and usually bolted in.

ECrider · Mar 28, 2023

IG_in_AZ said:
is the same height as the folded rear seats, to make the entire area behind the driver's seat as close to the same height as possible, to be able to sleep in the area if needed.

exactly that. what I hope to achieve

PC01 · Mar 29, 2023

DaveB said:
I like this idea from Gearmate
Like to put a fridge or an esky on a slideout

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Now the manual shows exact dimensions it looks like the Gearmate GM226 twin or single draw fits pretty snug between the arches and behind the Trialmaster rear seats.
I was looking to cover the gaps around the arches but i am now thinking i am going to leave as is so as to access the jack and also not to loose any space.
I am sure it will get filled with the odd bits rarely needed.
Will be going up to see them as soon as i get my hands on my vehicle which is sitting at the dealers.

DenisM · Mar 29, 2023

They're also reasonably heavy....

IG_in_AZ said:
Back on topic, I plan to do a drawer system. One of the more well known brands is Truck Vault. I've had some work trucks that had them installed, and they seemed to be very well built. I'd like to have one that basically fills in the rear storage area and is the same height as the folded rear seats, to make the entire area behind the driver's seat as close to the same height as possible, to be able to sleep in the area if needed. They are not, however, removable, rather are security biased and usually bolted in.

There's a similar product sold through the "big box" outlets here called "Van Vault". The 1000mm wide single drawer (1200mm long/200mm high) is bolted in and has a triple lock setup. However, it weighs a significant 54kg! But if the main purpose is security then, I guess, it needs to be 'tough'... especially when I watch YouTube of the thugs trashing car windows in San Francisco (the "glitter bomb " fellow

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWeu2dxHRDg
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DCPU · Apr 6, 2023

Another option besides Gearmate, and a "sleeper" to boot:

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Four wheels car and campervans camping box - RaidBox 2.0 - CapVanGo - Fréjus - Var

The Raid Box is a removable fitting for 4x4 : Land Rover Defender, Toyota Land cruiser and Ineos Grenadier.

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ADVAW8S · Apr 6, 2023

@DenisM "especially when I watch YouTube of the thugs trashing car windows in San Francisco" I think you mean Gangsters. Thugs are those that commit crime for themselves. Gangster are an organized crime. The group smashing windows in San Fran are part of an organized crime group. As shown in the video, they grab the bags and hand them off to a different person. Thugs tend to be tossed around as a derogatory term towards black males.

Thugs would be the white women walking up and stealing packages from peoples door steps shown in the video. I believe these well-off white women would be called Shelia in Australia.

DenisM · Apr 7, 2023

ADVAW8S said:
@DenisM "especially when I watch YouTube of the thugs trashing car windows in San Francisco" I think you mean Gangsters. Thugs are those that commit crime for themselves. Gangster are an organized crime. The group smashing windows in San Fran are part of an organized crime group. As shown in the video, they grab the bags and hand them off to a different person. Thugs tend to be tossed around as a derogatory term towards black males.

Thugs would be the white women walking up and stealing packages from peoples door steps shown in the video. I believe these well-off white women would be called Shelia in Australia.

Thanks for pointing out the subtleties! As I was want to explain to my American colleagues in such discussions "we are two cultures separated by a "common" language!
As for "Sheila" ...not often used these days. Derived from the Irish "Sheelagh" and is/was a term used by males as a generic term for females. Good explanation here

Macquarie Dictionary Blog

www.macquariedictionary.com.au

cheers!

Norville · Apr 7, 2023

Member @Loc Nar did mention in his response over at the Atlanta drive event that a company called Goose Gear was developing a leveled with seat down drawer and rear seat delete:

Post in thread 'USA Grenadier Experience (Atlanta) 05-06 April' https://www.theineosforum.com/threa...-atlanta-05-06-april.12411545/post-1333166395

SonnyC · Apr 7, 2023

I contacted Goose Gear and this was their response:

Thank you for your interest in Goose Gear products!

The Grenadier is definitely on "our list". No ETA or details to share until our products are launched.

We recommend submitting a Vehicle Suggestion on our website. When products are introduced we try to notify based off of vehicle submitted. Here is the link if you would like to submit: https://www.goose-gear.com/pages/goose-gear-vehicle-suggestion

I submitted a vehicle suggestion for their plate system and drawers to level the cargo area with the rear seats folded down, but if you're interested in their products, you may want to consider submitting one as well. I have their plate system and drawers in my Jeep and the quality is top notch, but pricey.

Andrew Kilby · Apr 7, 2023

https://www.polymate.com.au/polymate-products Here is a range of water and fuel tanks. I have two 27 litre roof fuel pods for diesel and they are excellent.

MACS · Apr 15, 2023

A good drawer system definitely will be on everyone’s list.
I am not sure if a similar picture like the attached has been posted already. It has been taken from one of the PT02 vehicles.
I tried to get in contact with gearmate by email 'info@gearmate.co.uk' twice. So far no reply, after 5 months.
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