Some clarifications concerning second seat row, Utility vs.Station Wagon

bigleonski · Mar 14, 2023

I wonder if this is a quick release??
If so, and the top anchors just lift up, that would be awesome. I opted not to buy it until I knew how “removable” it was.

MrMike · Mar 14, 2023

DCPU said:
M1 has short brackets at the top and long brackets at the bottom picking up on one of the tie down ring mounting points:
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N1 had long brackets at the top and short brackets at the bottom picking up on the seat back bracket mounting for the M1:
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Various different final fixings have been seen across the prototypes, but it would be nice if final fixings were tooless.

Just a thought, I wonder if you could turn the barrier around?

DCPU · Mar 14, 2023

bigleonski said:
I wonder if this is a quick release??
If so, and the top anchors just lift up, that would be awesome. I opted not to buy it until I knew how “removable” it was.View attachment 7806084

It could be, it's been a plain screw/bolt in other iterations, although it still leaves a fairly large chunk of metal attached to the vehicle side.

DCPU · Mar 14, 2023

MrMike said:
Just a thought, I wonder if you could turn the barrier around?

Can you explain that a little more?

Beormund · Mar 14, 2023

bigleonski said:
I wonder if this is a quick release??
If so, and the top anchors just lift up, that would be awesome. I opted not to buy it until I knew how “removable” it was.View attachment 7806084

The top hinges look like they have springs. I guess we won't know for sure how they release until cars with cargo barriers are in owners hands. I have one on order so am interested in this.

MrMike · Mar 15, 2023

DCPU said:
Can you explain that a little more?

The fixings are the same, top and bottom, IF the barrier can be turned 180 deg around the brackets would extend the barrier backward.
Does that make sense?

emax · Mar 15, 2023

Turning around would mean that the mesh can no longer rest against the frame, but only hangs on the welding points.

Under point load from accelerated cargo in the event of an accident or heavy braking, this could break easily.

DCPU · Mar 15, 2023

MrMike said:
The fixings are the same, top and bottom, IF the barrier can be turned 180 deg around the brackets would extend the barrier backward.
Does that make sense?

I think I understand, but the lower brackets are on an angle, so not sure you could do that?

MrMike · Mar 16, 2023

DCPU said:
I think I understand, but the lower brackets are on an angle, so not sure you could do that?

Maybe if the lower brackets were swapped also it may work?

Jean Mercier · Mar 19, 2023

No, I haven't been back to my dealer since a long time, last time being last Wednesday

But I have a picture from the welds of the side panels of a customer car:

dynosoar · Mar 19, 2023

That looks terrible. I could put up with visible evidence of the spot welds but to have them randomly spaced is just not on.
My car is also a utility order. It will probably look better in the lighter mushroom colour but the above is just not acceptable in my opinion.

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Beormund · Mar 19, 2023

dynosoar said:
That looks terrible. I could put up with visible evidence of the spot welds but to have them randomly spaced is just not on.
My car is also a utility order. It will probably look better in the lighter mushroom colour but the above is just not acceptable in my opinion.

A

Agreed. That looks messy.

Eric · Mar 19, 2023

That is not acceptable for a customers car. How the hell did that get thru the "batch and hold" process that is suppose to be about QC checks. Is that paint blistering to the left of the rear roof rail?

Beormund · Mar 19, 2023

Eric said:
That is not acceptable for a customers car. How the hell did that get thru the "batch and hold" process that is suppose to be about QC checks. Is that paint blistering to the left of the rear roof rail?

Might be wax - hard to tell. But if this was my truck I would be querying the finish.

Ever Pragmatic · Mar 19, 2023

Jean Mercier said:
No, I haven't been back to my dealer since a long time, last time being last Wednesday
But I have a picture from the welds of the side panels of a customer car:
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personally I quite like the industrial look and honesty of it. Mine is Donny grey and some of the spots were proud, some indented and some half and half. Being fortunate to have sat in my my own in the dealer, what you do feel is the overall heft and solidness of the thing. Having grown up with defenders, 110s and 90s, part of their character was the appalling welding on the window frames and elsewhere. Weld spatter was just painted over.. Classic.

Steveo · Mar 19, 2023

Jean Mercier said:
No, I haven't been back to my dealer since a long time, last time being last Wednesday
But I have a picture from the welds of the side panels of a customer car:
View attachment 7806552

Looks like they've carefully randomised the welding robots parameters to give it a 'rustic' look.

Stu_Barnes · Mar 21, 2023

Beormund said:
Might be wax - hard to tell. But if this was my truck I would be querying the finish.

However we wrap it up, it looks messy as hell. Perhaps it’s a nod to the defender being delivered with factory dents on the flat panels or world famous welding spatter.
But for a state of the art facility it’s surprising, I’d definitely be raising an eyebrow if I had one on order.

ECrider · Mar 21, 2023

Ive spec'd rear panels and I'd rather not have those "honesty" welds visible.

Not enough for me to turn away, will likely stick in gullwings sometime down the line anyhow.

Znarfgh · Mar 21, 2023

I ordered the utility version and specified panels - but then I changed my mind and ordered windows. Judging by that picture I'm glad I did.

I did not order the rear seat as this is usually the first item I remove from my vehicle and then takes up valuable space in my garage. I want a nice, flat floor with a storage unit in the back and will make up something for the space where the seats would be.

Cheers,

DM

alvan · Mar 21, 2023

Steveo said:
Looks like they've carefully randomised the welding robots parameters to give it a 'rustic' look.

You took the word out of my mouth...

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