Rear side panels PTO2-057

Shopkeep · Jan 20, 2023

Saw a Utility Wagon PTO2 today with rear side panels, any thoughts on the irregular welds on the exterior perimeter of the panel and the foam pad stuck to the inside? Do we know if the welds will be visible and the interior treatment be improved on the customer versions?

DaveB · Jan 20, 2023

Shopkeep said:
Saw a Utility Wagon PTO2 today with rear side panels, any thoughts on the irregular welds on the exterior perimeter of the panel and the foam pad stuck to the inside? Do we know if the welds will be visible and the interior treatment be improved on the customer versions?
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I certainly wouldn't order the side panels.
Get windows and just blank them out
Single skin sheet metal walls are a recipe for disaster

DCPU · Jan 20, 2023

The inner square looks like a homage to Gerry McGovern and his new Defender design.

Shopkeep · Jan 20, 2023

DCPU said:
The inner square looks like a homage to Gerry McGovern and his new Defender design.

RHS was just as dodgy

Michael H. · Jan 20, 2023

I certainly hope, as I’ve ordered a 2-seat Utility Wagon, that both the exterior and interior finishes of the rear side panels are improved.

Shopkeep · Jan 20, 2023

Two other pics, PTO2-057 in Scottish White & PTO2-051 in Queen's Red.

DCPU · Jan 20, 2023

Agree it does not look great at present.

However, those three attachment points look to be crying out for a Molle plate/recessed shelving to make best use of the "dead" space over the wheel wells.

If that was the case then the problem would "go away".

ECrider · Jan 20, 2023

Less than ideal in current state. Hopefully sorted for customer vehicles. Still better for my intended purposes

globalgregors · Jan 20, 2023

DCPU said:
Agree it does not look great at present.

However, those three attachment points look to be crying out for a Molle plate/recessed shelving to make best use of the "dead" space over the wheel wells.

If that was the case then the problem would "go away".

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Yeah, exactly - that’s where my StarLink will live.

Woody · Jan 20, 2023

The foam pads are probably to reduce noise. Some sort of sound deadening pad perhaps.

Shopkeep · Jan 20, 2023

Woody said:
The foam pads are probably to reduce noise. Some sort of sound deadening pad perhaps.

Agreed, the panels probably resonate without them. It’s looks like a temporary solution, I just hope the final version is better finished.

A DIY solution wouldn’t be too hard, otherwise a motor trimmer would be able to provide a better finished panel lining.

caalm · Jan 20, 2023

On the Topgear article in the 17th photo, it doesn't look like your pics

Ineos Grenadier: inside the off-roader’s world-class factory

It won’t be long before we get to drive the Ineos Grenadier. In the meantime, this is where it’ll be built…

www.topgear.com

Also the foam pad on the inside is for noise. Otherwise it'd 'boinng' like a piece of sheet metal when you bow it....hopefully they'll cover it on the inside

Every car has them on the inside of doors, body panels and roof, they're usually a bitumen material.

G-Man · Jan 20, 2023

The 'natural frequency of vibration' is your enemy with sheet metal panels. I used to have a series 3 hardtop where the whole vehicle used to sing out at 56 mph. Was a natural speed limiter

If you stick a sufficient amount of gunk on them it changes the weight of the panel enough to stop the harmonics at low frequencies, so you can turn your attention to the rattles instead!

MrMike · Jan 21, 2023

DCPU said:
Agree it does not look great at present.

However, those three attachment points look to be crying out for a Molle plate/recessed shelving to make best use of the "dead" space over the wheel wells.

If that was the case then the problem would "go away".

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We have them in our new work vans (Mercedes Sprinters) all over the interior panels

Steve.B · Jan 21, 2023

I have ordered windows, but may change my mind. The advantages of the side panels are they are lighter, won't shatter, no seal to retain water so won't rust, if designed properly won't drum or be prone to harmonics of any sort, and if a lighter colour such as Scottish white or mushroom with the insulation on the inside will be cooler in the Australian sun.
On the other hand the windows look great and so do dark colours, what's a couple of kilograms, modern cars don't rust, and I have never broken a rear side window.

Logsplitter · Jan 21, 2023

Steve.B said:
I have ordered windows, but may change my mind. The advantages of the side panels are they are lighter, won't shatter, no seal to retain water so won't rust, if designed properly won't drum or be prone to harmonics of any sort, and if a lighter colour such as Scottish white or mushroom with the insulation on the inside will be cooler in the Australian sun.
On the other hand the windows look great and so do dark colours, what's a couple of kilograms, modern cars don't rust, and I have never broken a rear side window.

I’ve ordered ordered windows with the black out /UV shading option on my two seat commercial

DCPU · Jan 21, 2023

Steve.B said:
The advantages of the side panels are they are lighter, won't shatter, no seal to retain water so won't rust

It's a different case to say side windows in an old Defender, where the sides without windows are a continuous sheet of metal.

I think all body sides are stamped with an opening, so irrespective of whether it's filled with a window or a blank of sheet metal, both must have some form of seal?

Steve.B · Jan 21, 2023

DCPU said:
It's a different case to say side windows in an old Defender, where the sides without windows are a continuous sheet of metal.

I think all body sides are stamped with an opening, so irrespective of whether it's filled with a window or a blank of sheet metal, both must have some form of seal?

I just zoomed in on the picture, the blank is spot welded you are right.

Krabby · Jan 21, 2023

The Grenadier’s spiritual ancestor is the Defender, so there definitely needs to be visible spot welds.

DCPU · Jan 21, 2023

There's visible spot welds ~ neat, aligned, consistent pattern, no splatter, then there's this:

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I'm no expert on welding but are they even spot welds? Look more like plug welds to me.

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