Redder is better - those towhook recovery points and A lettering throughout

HouseMD · Jan 1, 2023

Alright then, need to get this off my chest (and I’ve seen similar sentiment in a few threads). I’m reserved for a Sela Green with white contrast roof here in the US (it looks too much like my favorite NAS Defender combo in Coniston green with white roof to pass up). I LOVE the red details on the prototype vehicles and noted as you all did that the recent change to the recovery points went from that brilliant red to some flat grey or black. I also REALLY love the red A on the small back door and on the bonnet lettering on the prototypes. What are our workarounds since I’m guessing we’re not getting any of this at this point?

The lettering on the bonnet and back small door can likely be wrapped or handpainted, yes?

The towhook recovery points can be powder coated to the same red I’m assuming, but my question is - IF those aren’t removable does anyone know if you can tape and powder coat something that is still attached?

All I know is that at some point I’ll have a Sela Green with white contrast roof in my garage and come hell or high water I WILL have those red highlights throughout!

Krabby · Jan 1, 2023

The As on the hood and back door (and the spare tire cover too) will be easy. Someone will mock up the dimensions and cut vinyl to fit. Just like the decals used on pickups to “paint” the F150, Tacoma, etc stamped in tailgates.

I believe the recovery points are permanently attached to the frame so they cannot be powder coated since PC needs to be cured in an oven. I guess you could use red Raptor coating.

HouseMD · Jan 1, 2023

Krabby said:
The As on the hood and back door (and the spare tire cover too) will be easy. Someone will mock up the dimensions and cut vinyl to fit. Just like the decals used on pickups to “paint” the F150, Tacoma, etc stamped in tailgates.

I believe the recovery points are permanently attached to the frame so they cannot be powder coated since PC needs to be cured in an oven. I guess you could use red Raptor coating.

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Hmmm…….not sure I knew how the powder coating process goes. I wonder if it can be taped/masked and just sprayed at a body shop? I know that wouldn’t be very durable though if you were actually using them as recovery points. I don’t see us using the points that much as we just plan on overlanding and rooftop tent camping.

Krabby · Jan 1, 2023

Regular paint - even if applied by a body shop - wouldn’t look too good after a few uses. Raptor paint is like truck bed liner which is tough so that could do the job.

bigleonski · Jan 1, 2023

Yeah I would have liked the red A on the back door from factory.
Recovery points I’m less fussed about. I’d be surprised if they weren’t bolt on items though? I didn’t get down and look at them on the drive day.

ADVAW8S · Jan 1, 2023

My wife ordered a vinyl cutter for house projects. I'll be using it in 2024 to make lettering for the Grenadier

Tazzieman · Jan 1, 2023

If it was important to me , I'd just paint the tow points with red enamel. Sure if the car is used as intended it will get scuffed , as will the rest of the car.
It's either a tool or a showpiece.

Krabby · Jan 1, 2023

bigleonski said:
Yeah I would have liked the red A on the back door from factory.
Recovery points I’m less fussed about. I’d be surprised if they weren’t bolt on items though? I didn’t get down and look at them on the drive day.

The rears very well might be bolted on. Looks like the fronts too. So @HouseMD it looks like you can remove and powder coat at a local body shop.

DaveB · Jan 1, 2023

Krabby said:
The As on the hood and back door (and the spare tire cover too) will be easy. Someone will mock up the dimensions and cut vinyl to fit. Just like the decals used on pickups to “paint” the F150, Tacoma, etc stamped in tailgates.

I believe the recovery points are permanently attached to the frame so they cannot be powder coated since PC needs to be cured in an oven. I guess you could use red Raptor coating.

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The recovery hooks will get scratched up when used whatever you cover it with is not robust enough

DCPU · Jan 1, 2023

Krabby said:
The rears very well might be bolted on. Looks like the fronts too. So @HouseMD it looks like you can remove and powder coat at a local body shop.

All the prototype photos I've seen suggest both have been welded on:

I'd like to know more about the front ones, and the reasoning why the attachment point is so far from the chassis leg and angled the way it is?

HouseMD · Jan 1, 2023

Krabby said:
The rears very well might be bolted on. Looks like the fronts too. So @HouseMD it looks like you can remove and powder coat at a local body shop.

Brilliant!

Logsplitter · Jan 1, 2023

DCPU said:
All the prototype photos I've seen suggest both have been welded on:

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I'd like to know more about the front ones, and the reasoning why the attachment point is so far from the chassis leg and angled the way it is?

Good point. The front ones seem to face down too much. There will be a lot of strain on them especially if doing a snatch recovery even when using a bridle set up. Maybe they are designed to bend indicating they have been over stressed? But there again this would only make sense if they were bolted on and replaceable.
Are they rated does anybody know?

Arkaig · Jan 1, 2023

Logsplitter said:
Are they rated does anybody know?

Yes, the tow hooks are rated:-

Fronts

Rears

emax · Jan 1, 2023

@HouseMD
I totally agree with the red recovery points. They set a nice accent on the character of the Grenadier.

But I think that there is no material which could withstand a multi-ton load in the long run. Even powdering will not work, I think.

So the only choice is imho to get a spray can and to refresh the red color every now and then. I will not often use the recovery points, I think, so the refresher is probably rarely needed. A Raptor coating might last a bit better, but it's all guessing.

PS: A Raptor coating counteracts low-friction use ... which is bad.

Spjnr · Jan 1, 2023

I'd go with what Emax said, just spray paint them and touch up as and when. that's what i did with my jeep and it worked fine

Logsplitter · Jan 1, 2023

Arkaig said:
Yes, the tow hooks are rated:-

Fronts

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Rears

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Thanks. That’s interesting. Given the pictures DCPU posted, I would have thought that the rear horizontal loading would have been greater than the front. Also the rear are directly in line with the chassis rails should I would have thought would increase the load rating.

. The front ones being at a 45 degree angle I was thinking an equal vertical and horizontal load rating!

Guru · Jan 1, 2023

IMHO you are over thinking this in the extreme….

Just mask them off and paint the bloody things. Rustoleum make an awesome paint “Hard hat” industrial which is much better and goes on beautifully than their regular consumer product.
I get a lot of things powdercoated and my local guy (Trenton NJ) is about 1000 yards from my shop. But generally I prefer good quality paint as powdercoat can cause all sorts of other issues which are hidden in the long term. Rust sneaking underneath and destroying the metal. As per the pic of Defender brush guard. There are other areas on the welded joints where the steel is rotted right through with no external evidence.

Krabby · Jan 1, 2023

DCPU said:
All the prototype photos I've seen suggest both have been welded on:
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I'd like to know more about the front ones, and the reasoning why the attachment point is so far from the chassis leg and angled the way it is?

I took it as though the torx heads were holding on the tow hooks but in reality it looks as though it’s the bumper mounts.

IG_in_AZ · Jan 1, 2023

Tazzieman said:
If it was important to me , I'd just paint the tow points with red enamel. Sure if the car is used as intended it will get scuffed , as will the rest of the car.
It's either a tool or a showpiece.

Indeed. I'm hoping to get some "Arizona pinstriping" within the first 24 hours of ownership.
I want the red accents and the red Lambdas. I also plan to wrap the nose and rear door orange like the prototypes were done.

Tazzieman · Jan 2, 2023

IG_in_AZ said:
Indeed. I'm hoping to get some "Arizona pinstriping" within the first 24 hours of ownership.
I want the red accents and the red Lambdas. I also plan to wrap the nose and rear door orange like the prototypes were done.

Orange will be better than red , otherwise you'll be dodging Rudolph jibes

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