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DCPU · Dec 17, 2022

DaveB said:
The handbook was commercially confidential and contained information that wasn't finalised or approved for public domain
Most companies, mine included, have very strict rules for internal only documentation.

Yes, that's clear. It's the fact that it was labelled as such I find disappointing given what's been said about the project and the play made on showing prototypes in public and "sharing the adventure".

"Dirk Heilmann, INEOS Automotive’s CEO says the design of our off-road 4X4 vehicle will be put to the test in plain sight around the world."

"The covers are off"

"The website...featuring a series of videos revealing the genesis of the project, initial thoughts on the vehicle design...This and the new social feeds will provide a window on the project for the general public, sharing regular updates throughout the vehicle’s development – and will even invite followers to participate in the process by sharing their views and designs."

It's hard to see any defence of information that's going to form the basis of a publically available handbook/system fitting into a definition of commercially confidential such as "information whose publication might prejudice the commercial interests of individuals or companies to an unreasonable degree."

DaveB · Dec 17, 2022

DCPU said:
Yes, that's clear. It's the fact that it was labelled as such I find disappointing given what's been said about the project and the play made on showing prototypes in public and "sharing the adventure".

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"Dirk Heilmann, INEOS Automotive’s CEO says the design of our off-road 4X4 vehicle will be put to the test in plain sight around the world."

"The covers are off"

"The website...featuring a series of videos revealing the genesis of the project, initial thoughts on the vehicle design...This and the new social feeds will provide a window on the project for the general public, sharing regular updates throughout the vehicle’s development – and will even invite followers to participate in the process by sharing their views and designs."

It's hard to see any defence of information that's going to form the basis of a publically available handbook/system fitting into a definition of commercially confidential such as "information whose publication might prejudice the commercial interests of individuals or companies to an unreasonable degree."

I have just created a series of internal and external training presentations for a new product range we have just launched.
Some of the base documents and images were marked clearly and boldly "Internal use only, we do not have written approval from all of the image owners, property owners, participants or authors for public display"
Today I was told i could look at the engine bay as much as I like but couldn't take pictures as they don't have permission to publish images of all of the engine bay components and configuration.
I have seen a lot of pictures of the engine bay but I guess what they were saying was they don't officially have permission.

DenisM · Dec 17, 2022

DaveB said:
I have just created a series of internal and external training presentations for a new product range we have just launched.
Some of the base documents and images were marked clearly and boldly "Internal use only, we do not have written approval from all of the image owners, property owners, participants or authors for public display"
Today I was told i could look at the engine bay as much as I like but couldn't take pictures as they don't have permission to publish images of all of the engine bay components and configuration.
I have seen a lot of pictures of the engine bay but I guess what they were saying was they don't officially have permission.

That sums it up nicely. It was evident in the early days when journalists and enthusiastic YouTubers especially at the UK exhibition days reported that they'd been specifically requested not to photograph the underside nor the engine bay. In fact at one stage some of them mentioned that the engine bay was sealed from prying eyes. And fair enough too!

ECrider · Dec 17, 2022

Good write up DaveB. Are photos of the engine bay still discouraged?

DaveB · Dec 17, 2022

ECrider said:
Good write up DaveB. Are photos of the engine bay still discouraged?

Yes, not allowed.
I told them I have a photographic memory and they said go ahead as long as you don't print or upload from your memory

bigleonski · Dec 17, 2022

DaveB said:
Yes, not allowed.
I told them I have a photographic memory and they said go ahead as long as you don't print or upload from your memory

That’s interesting- I took a few in front of the guys and no-one said anything.

Tazzieman · Dec 17, 2022

DaveB said:
Yes, not allowed.
I told them I have a photographic memory and they said go ahead as long as you don't print or upload from your memory

Just draw something like this, as long as the bits are the right shape and in the right place we won't bag your effort

emax · Dec 17, 2022

DaveB said:
The handbook was commercially confidential and contained information that wasn't finalised or approved for public domain
Most companies, mine included, have very strict rules for internal only documentation.

And that's ok. A company must be able to rely on their partners.

Otherwise they can not be partners.

dime80 · Dec 17, 2022

emax said:
And that's ok. A company must be able to rely on their partners.

Otherwise they can not be partners.

Really enjoyed the opportunity to see/touch/smell all that fun stuff today. At mint Tamborine. The lads were great to talk too, the G was impressive on the rocky coarse even without front/rear lockers engaged. I liked the 2 tone leather seats and deal with the maintenance aspect. Summary. tough truck, strikes the market between 79 series and 300 series cruiser. For me a better package.
Looking forward to block out covers with the safari windows for those occasions when the sun is a little much.

bigleonski · Dec 17, 2022

Tazzieman said:
Just draw something like this, as long as the bits are the right shape and in the right place we won't bag your effort

Something like this Tassieman??

bigleonski · Dec 17, 2022

A few pics I took.
Won’t post engine pics, don’t want to ruffle feathers

I videoed the whole track with a mate driving (3 vids over 13 minutes), but I’d need to ask his permission first before posting here.

bigleonski · Dec 17, 2022

And a few more

dime80 · Dec 17, 2022

Logsplitter · Dec 17, 2022

dime80 said:
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That’s a fine looking dog. Kelpie?

dime80 · Dec 17, 2022

Logsplitter said:
That’s a fine looking dog. Kelpie?

Thanks “ log splitter” Yes 100% kelpie. She loved going for a ride as much as I did. Looking forward to many adventures in the Granny. Looks there will be enough room for the dog in the back on top of a draw system.

Logsplitter · Dec 17, 2022

dime80 said:
Thanks “ log splitter” Yes 100% kelpie. She loved going for a ride as much as I did. Looking forward to many adventures in the Granny. Looks there will be enough room for the dog in the back on top of a draw system.

Yes we’ll have a similar set up. Drawer systems but two seater version with a Collie dog in the back.

DCPU · Dec 17, 2022

bigleonski said:
Something like this Tassieman??

Great photos.

I think it's that "for internal use only" label that's proving to be confusing?

Krabby · Dec 17, 2022

@bigleonski AWESOME photo gallery. Some of the most comprehensive I’ve seen yet. We’ll done.

DaveB · Dec 17, 2022

dime80 said:
Really enjoyed the opportunity to see/touch/smell all that fun stuff today. At mint Tamborine. The lads were great to talk too, the G was impressive on the rocky coarse even without front/rear lockers engaged. I liked the 2 tone leather seats and deal with the maintenance aspect. Summary. tough truck, strikes the market between 79 series and 300 series cruiser. For me a better package.
Looking forward to block out covers with the safari windows for those occasions when the sun is a little much.

I have owned a number of 4WD's over the years but haven't done any serious off-roading for a while.
It is so impressive how easily this thing handled that track with road tyre pressures and none of the diffs locked.

grenadierboy · Dec 17, 2022

bigleonski said:
And a few more

Thanks Leon.

As I have commented before, the cabin design & layout is good but your photos confirmed again my thoughts after spending an hour going over the interior - there are a few wrinkles in the PTO series interior to iron out.

The centre console controls (especially the round dials) were not quite fitting correctly or many were slightly loose and there was misalignment of and uneven gaps between many of the cabin panels.

It's not a design issue as I would expect the line series to correct these and a few other gremlins with final production having a higher quality control.

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