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Don’t underestimate this new off-road SUV when facing snow, mud, and slippery rocks—or if you just want to flex.​

2024 Ineos Grenadier First Drive Review: Overlanding the Newest 4x4 SUV

We put the new off-road SUV through its paces in the tricky terrain of the Scottish Highlands.

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Pricing starting at $70k usd. Boo.

 

[ADVAW8S]

We will also get an updated version for 2024

 

[bemax]

„It was a similar story on the way back down. We prepared by disabling the lockers, a process that requires a tight turn or a big burnout to get the sensors to register drastically different wheel speeds to fully disengage. Ineos acknowledges these measures aren't ideal or even possible in many off-roading scenarios—it says it will remedy the issue before the Grenadier arrives on our shores.“

So maybe the journalists have been the last guinea pigs to find out the things a customer would annoy and that has to be cleared before delivery.

 

[BD1]

"Ineos promised the U.S. version will also receive features required for federalization, including automatic emergency braking, lane keep assist, and drowsy driver detection. We'd also like to see a native navigation system, lockers that are easier to disable, and better windshield defrosters."

So more 'driver assistance' features are coming to the US.....

So 2024 model will add these features and probably part of the reason for the longer time frame for IG to get it released to their largest market.

This is the first review that mentioned window defrosters need improvement. I don't understand the need for a native navigation system. It will be hard for any auto Manufacturer to keep up with google and apple map investments.

 

[BD1]

One other quote: "Slithering back onto the highway, we were better able to appreciate the Grenadier's precise steering, which felt especially direct for a recirculating-ball setup on an off-road vehicle."

 

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I'd rather they be released without that tech as off road only vehicles through tractor dealers. Then we could go through backchannels to get them tagged for use on the streets.

 

[Stu_Barnes]

'For the hardcore off-roader or the Rodeo Drive shopper, the 2024 Ineos Grenadier has the right stuff to flex on the trail or street. Its pricing seems to be where it needs to be, too; Ineos indicated both the Trialmaster and Fieldmaster trims will start around $70,000.'

Lets see if they keep to the indicated price.........

 

[MrMike]

"Ineos promised the U.S. version will also receive features required for federalization, including automatic emergency braking, lane keep assist, and drowsy driver detection. We'd also like to see a native navigation system, lockers that are easier to disable, and better windshield defrosters."

So more 'driver assistance' features are coming to the US.....

So 2024 model will add these features and probably part of the reason for the longer time frame for IG to get it released to their largest market.

This is the first review that mentioned window defrosters need improvement. I don't understand the need for a native navigation system. It will be hard for any auto Manufacturer to keep up with google and apple map investments.

I very much doubt you'll see a native nav system. They won't make the mistake Toyota made, and I'm sure you won't want to keep paying for it.

 

[MileHigh]

So this is another review that mentions an issue with the lockers. I don’t know what concerns me more, that these two reviews had problems with the lockers, or that the other reviewers didn’t report some thing as serious as that. Then one the car has a serious issue, in the other I don’t trust the reviews.

Considering that they’re making these now, it’s not confidence inspiring to know that the four-wheel-drive system on the four-wheel-drive has four-wheel-drive problems.

There has been enough driving days with the public. You would’ve thought that this problem would have read his head before? Something is off.

Getting lockers to engage and unengage has been a mother attribute for over 30 years.

Interesting that the US Model needs a lot more electronic safety doo-dads than the European version.

 

[bemax]

So this is another review that mentions an issue with the lockers. I don’t know what concerns me more, that these two reviews had problems with the lockers, or that the other reviewers didn’t report some thing as serious as that. Then one the car has a serious issue, in the other I don’t trust the reviews.

Considering that they’re making these now, it’s not confidence inspiring to know that the four-wheel-drive system on the four-wheel-drive has four-wheel-drive problems.

There has been enough driving days with the public. You would’ve thought that this problem would have read his head before? Something is off.

Getting lockers to engage and unengage has been a mother attribute for over 30 years.

Interesting that the US Model needs a lot more electronic safety doo-dads than the European version.

On my test drive the lockers had the same issues as the ones mentioned by some journalists!

 

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So this is another review that mentions an issue with the lockers. I don’t know what concerns me more, that these two reviews had problems with the lockers, or that the other reviewers didn’t report some thing as serious as that. Then one the car has a serious issue, in the other I don’t trust the reviews.

Considering that they’re making these now, it’s not confidence inspiring to know that the four-wheel-drive system on the four-wheel-drive has four-wheel-drive problems.

There has been enough driving days with the public. You would’ve thought that this problem would have read his head before? Something is off.

Getting lockers to engage and unengage has been a mother attribute for over 30 years.

Interesting that the US Model needs a lot more electronic safety doo-dads than the European version.

I speak for all Americans when I say that we're shitty enough drivers that we need the car to do most of the driving for us. At least that's what our legislators think of their constituencies.

 

[Krabby]

"Ineos promised the U.S. version will also receive features required for federalization, including automatic emergency braking, lane keep assist, and drowsy driver detection. We'd also like to see a native navigation system, lockers that are easier to disable, and better windshield defrosters."

Each one of those things will cost money and thus raise the US price. Even at manufacturer cost, all of the sensors and crap required for that stuff cannot be cheap. And WTF wants it anyway? Granted I like the little blind spot lights on my mirrors, but they're certainly not needed. All but two vehicles I have ever owned (of maybe 25) did not have that feature.

 

[DaveB]

I very much doubt you'll see a native nav system. They won't make the mistake Toyota made, and I'm sure you won't want to keep paying for it.

Toby said in his earliest interview that they would not have a nav system as we all carry smart phones and have access to mapping apps that specialise in it.

 

[Krabby]

Toby said in his earliest interview that they would not have a nav system as we all carry smart phones and have access to mapping apps that specialise in it.

Which makes a ton of sense, especially since phone apps are continually updated and it’s quick, easy, and done from home. My wife’s Subaru had a software update and it took 45 mins at the dealer.

I know it’s been said that in many places where we’ll take these trucks there may be no cell coverage. There will be a solution to that; either the offline map system in the Ineos OS or a specific app for our phones.

 

[MrMike]

Which makes a ton of sense, especially since phone apps are continually updated and it’s quick, easy, and done from home. My wife’s Subaru had a software update and it took 45 mins at the dealer.

I know it’s been said that in many places where we’ll take these trucks there may be no cell coverage. There will be a solution to that; either the offline map system in the Ineos OS or a specific app for our phones.

HEMA and other mapping systems exist to cover this

 

[stickshifter]

„It was a similar story on the way back down. We prepared by disabling the lockers, a process that requires a tight turn or a big burnout to get the sensors to register drastically different wheel speeds to fully disengage. Ineos acknowledges these measures aren't ideal or even possible in many off-roading scenarios—it says it will remedy the issue before the Grenadier arrives on our shores.“

So maybe the journalists have been the last guinea pigs to find out the things a customer would annoy and that has to be cleared before delivery.

This paragraph stood out to me too. I'm glad they are addressing this, and its why I've been prattling on endlessly about the value of manual diff locks. But it sounds like they intend to fix the issue, so let's hope all this gets worked out!

 

[stickshifter]

But this to me is devastating: "Ineos promised the U.S. version will also receive features required for federalization, including automatic emergency braking, lane keep assist, and drowsy driver detection."

I thought we were going to escape "drowsy driver detection" by purchasing a Grenadier in 2024. The Biden administration passed the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act in December 2021, and it contains - in my opinion - a provision that amounts to a massive invasion of privacy. I suggest that all Americans look into this and decide for yourself what you think. Maybe you support it, but if you do not, there may be time to block the legislation from putting a permanent monitoring system in our cars, that watches us all the time to detect impairment. The legislation requires that the system will be able to:

• Passively monitor the performance of a driver to accurately identify whether they are impaired.
• Prevent or limit operation if impairment is detected.
• “Passively” detect whether the BAC (blood alcohol content) of a driver is equal to or higher than the legal limit. In such cases, the system could “prevent or limit motor vehicle operation if an impairment is detected.”

You can find the full text of the legislation here: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/hr3684/text

You can find a fact-checking article here: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/infrastructure-bill-track-drivers/

This is not a "pro-Biden" or an "anti-Biden" post, so I do not think I am breaking policy on politics on the forum. I am just trying to provide information about something that stands to impact everyone in the U.S. - but more than that - with each passage of legislation like this, norms around what constitutes privacy and what constitutes legitimate government surveillance change. If cameras are coming into our cars, where next? This is worth long hard reflection on where your values lie.

BAC meaning added. Stu

 

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But this to me is devastating: "Ineos promised the U.S. version will also receive features required for federalization, including automatic emergency braking, lane keep assist, and drowsy driver detection."

I thought we were going to escape "drowsy driver detection" by purchasing a Grenadier in 2024. The Biden administration passed the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act in December 2021, and it contains - in my opinion - a provision that amounts to a massive invasion of privacy. I suggest that all Americans look into this and decide for yourself what you think. Maybe you support it, but if you do not, there may be time to block the legislation from putting a permanent monitoring system in our cars, that watches us all the time to detect impairment. The legislation requires that the system will be able to:

• Passively monitor the performance of a driver to accurately identify whether they are impaired.
• Prevent or limit operation if impairment is detected.
• “Passively” detect whether the BAC of a driver is equal to or higher than the legal limit. In such cases, the system could “prevent or limit motor vehicle operation if an impairment is detected.”

You can find the full text of the legislation here: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/hr3684/text

You can find a fact-checking article here: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/infrastructure-bill-track-drivers/

This is not a "pro-Biden" or an "anti-Biden" post, so I do not think I am breaking policy on politics on the forum. I am just trying to provide information about something that stands to impact everyone in the U.S. - but more than that - with each passage of legislation like this, norms around what constitutes privacy and what constitutes legitimate government surveillance change. If cameras are coming into our cars, where next? This is worth long hard reflection on where your values lie.

You can't separate politics from discussions about federal regulation. It's fair game. Most politicians are happy to legislate our freedoms away, both economic and social. Not surprising it results in vehicles with higher price points and standard equipment designed to do just that. It's part of the reason demand for classic vehicles will grow stronger over time. Very tempting to buy a 50 year old vehicle and put in the money and time to restore and personalize instead of buying a new one.

 

[DaveB]

Which makes a ton of sense, especially since phone apps are continually updated and it’s quick, easy, and done from home. My wife’s Subaru had a software update and it took 45 mins at the dealer.

I know it’s been said that in many places where we’ll take these trucks there may be no cell coverage. There will be a solution to that; either the offline map system in the Ineos OS or a specific app for our phones.

My Mercedes has a dedicated Navigation system and they haven't had updates for last 6 years.