Has anyone installed a push start / remote start ignition?

[00OU918]

There are several aftermarket push start / remote start / keyless proximity entry kits available. Some are disturbingly cheap. Has anyone tried this yet?

 

[anand]

I think it is safe to say that no one has.

You say several are available, I'm assuming you mean generic kits and not vehicle specific

 

[00OU918]

I think it is safe to say that no one has.

You say several are available, I'm assuming you mean generic kits and not vehicle specific

Correct. All universal kits I’m sure as secure as Ft Knox.

 

[anand]

I could definitely be wrong, but I think a lot of us are trying to remove electronic modules/controls from the vehicle, not add more.

Definitely post up if you get one working though!

 

[grnamin]

I tried to have a Compustar T13 system installed. The tech couldn't do it. He said he needed around 3 days to figure out the Grenadier's wiring, especially the BCM. As of a few days ago, Compustar still doesn't have a wiring diagram from Ineos. My dealer's service manager said he would supply the installer with enough diagrams to effect an installation. The task is to get the installer and the service manager to connect.

 

[ScottnAZ]

There are several aftermarket push start / remote start / keyless proximity entry kits available. Some are disturbingly cheap. Has anyone tried this yet?

This is on my radar, but it’s pretty low down the list of things to figure out this point. Hopefully someone else gets it accomplished 1st

 

[00OU918]

I tried to have a Compustar T13 system installed. The tech couldn't do it. He said he needed around 3 days to figure out the Grenadier's wiring, especially the BCM. As of a few days ago, Compustar still doesn't have a wiring diagram from Ineos. My dealer's service manager said he would supply the installer with enough diagrams to effect an installation. The task is to get the installer and the service manager to connect.

Definitely keep us posted, and thanks!

 

[Mjolnirs]

I had asked my dealer about an aftermarket auto start and he said ,but wasn't sure,that that might void the warranty.
Does any one know for sure.

 

[anand]

I had asked my dealer about an aftermarket auto start and he said ,but wasn't sure,that that might void the warranty.
Does any one know for sure.

Anything you modify could void the warranty on anything it modifies. Like, changing the springs can't void the warranty for safari window seals, but definitely could for the shocks.

Something aftermarket that taps into a multitude of key wiring under the dash, if it goes wrong, could certainly void the warranty on different components

 

[DaveB]

Thieves will love you, much easier to steal a car with a push button or keyless start.

‘The issue is significant’: Experts issue keyless car theft warning

Keyless cars are convenient, but are vulnerable to theft. Here's what you can to do to help prevent it.

www.drive.com.au

 

[DrahthHunter]

There are several aftermarket push start / remote start / keyless proximity entry kits available. Some are disturbingly cheap. Has anyone tried this yet?

they are so easy to hack caveat emptor

 

[00OU918]

they are so easy to hack caveat emptor

The keyless entry on your Grenadier is already extremely susceptible to an sig amp relay attack and a multitude of other means that a 10 year-old with access to Google and a Radio Shack can easily employ. Because of our physical key - a would-be thief would also have to tear into your lower dash to start it. With or without a push button start your rig is going to get jacked if someone wants it bad enough. That’s why we all pay through the nose for insurance. Several of the aftermarket kits have 2 way RFID and auto ignition kills which are arguably stronger than what is already there, but I do appreciate your perspective. I bought my Grenadier to add useful and fun accessories to it, but to each is their own. If anyone has added this accessory please chime in, I’d love to hear your advise.

 

[grnamin]

Definitely keep us posted, and thanks!

Partial success! Compustar T13 Pro system installed by Tino at Car Toys in Frisco, Texas. Two-way alarm system with proximity unlock (can disable with fob). He wasn't able to install the remote start for the time being. Circumventing the "press on brake" requirement while turning key to start was the problem. Will need to do more research.

 

[Stu_Barnes]

The keyless entry on your Grenadier is already extremely susceptible to an sig amp relay attack and a multitude of other means that a 10 year-old with access to Google and a Radio Shack can easily employ. Because of our physical key - a would-be thief would also have to tear into your lower dash to start it. With or without a push button start your rig is going to get jacked if someone wants it bad enough. That’s why we all pay through the nose for insurance. Several of the aftermarket kits have 2 way RFID and auto ignition kills which are arguably stronger than what is already there, but I do appreciate your perspective. I bought my Grenadier to add useful and fun accessories to it, but to each is their own. If anyone has added this accessory please chime in, I’d love to hear your advise.

So we’re good, Radio Shack went the way of the dodo in 2015

On a side note, I’m tempted to get a key cut in the local Supermarket and see if it starts…….

 

[DaveB]

I see JLR is still trying to fix their high theft issues and also offering insurance policies, as many insurance companies are refusing to insure or charging high premiums.
Apparently modern thieves are too lazy to learn how to hotwire an old fashion key start but can do keyless start easily with an ipad or mobile phone and an app. .

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XQhEy4_LGQ

 

[255/85]

So we’re good, Radio Shack went the way of the dodo in 2015

On a side note, I’m tempted to get a key cut in the local Supermarket and see if it starts…….

It will if you have a fob adjacent to the key slot.

 

[DrahthHunter]

do you know this as FACT??? How

 

[anand]

do you know this as FACT??? How

Because the immobilizer from the factory key will be close enough to register

 

[parb]

Partial success! Compustar T13 Pro system installed by Tino at Car Toys in Frisco, Texas. Two-way alarm system with proximity unlock (can disable with fob). He wasn't able to install the remote start for the time being. Circumventing the "press on brake" requirement while turning key to start was the problem. Will need to do more research.

I know a bit of these systems. There is a brake light switch near the pedal. I would try to close this circuit and see if that is enough to let you start the vehicle.

There is typically also a brake pressure sensor in the brake circuit. Usually built into the master cylinder. If they need to register brake pressure to start the car then this became really hard. you can spoof the message over CAN but I'd be very hesitant about doing this since other safety systems often depend on reading brake pressure (eg stuck gas pedal is often overriden electronically in the ECU by a circuit detecting high brake pressure in the master cylinder, this was one of the outcomes of the Toyota recall about a decade ago).

 

[DaveB]

I know a bit of these systems. There is a brake light switch near the pedal. I would try to close this circuit and see if that is enough to let you start the vehicle.

There is typically also a brake pressure sensor in the brake circuit. Usually built into the master cylinder. If they need to register brake pressure to start the car then this became really hard. you can spoof the message over CAN but I'd be very hesitant about doing this since other safety systems often depend on reading brake pressure (eg stuck gas pedal is often overriden electronically in the ECU by a circuit detecting high brake pressure in the master cylinder, this was one of the outcomes of the Toyota recall about a decade ago).

My brother in law owned a Ford for several years and then one evening he couldn't get it to start
When I got in it started straight away.
I always put my foot on the brake when starting a car for obvious reason, particularly if you learnt in or often drive a manual transmission.
He just didn't realise that he was always doing the same except for that one evening.