An electric Grenadier

[Paul F. Halsey]

I’m a bit concerned that without an electric Grenadier that in less than 5 years countries will begin banning new ICE vehicles and the threat to the model is clear. So what is the status of the electric Grenadier? It has to happen, I know many owners will never abandon the ICE version but if Grenadier wants to survive for the long haul it has to happen.
I’d love to hear from Ineos engineers on how battery weight can be handled and what kind of performance we can expect. It has the potential to be a winner on many fronts.

 

[anand]

Hydrogen testing (here's a thread) has been on going for about a year and a half (and ran at the Goodwood Festival of Speed this past year). Given Ineos' large involvement in Hydrogen, that is one direction they are focusing themselves.

While specifics are few and far between (at least in the public eye), the non-ICE model is expected for MY2027 I believe, and has been rumored to be on a smaller chassis, specifically to meet CAFE requirements, and not as a replacement to the Grenadier.

Beyond that is all speculation at this point, but there are a handful of threads on the forum already about it

 

[shiv.nandak]

As someone who has traded in a Tesla for a Grenadier - I have to disagree. I foresee more people leaving electric cars going forward as evidenced by the electric cars pilling up in dealer lots. ICE will always have a place because a variety of reasons. That being said, I believe there was talk of a smaller electric Grenadier version for the future - I have not seen any updates regarding that.

 

[WJG-GMT II]

I’m a bit concerned that without an electric Grenadier that in less than 5 years countries will begin banning new ICE vehicles and the threat to the model is clear. So what is the status of the electric Grenadier? It has to happen, I know many owners will never abandon the ICE version but if Grenadier wants to survive for the long haul it has to happen.
I’d love to hear from Ineos engineers on how battery weight can be handled and what kind of performance we can expect. It has the potential to be a winner on many fronts.

Those bans will be dropped like flies. The reality is that, electric cars largely have insufficient range and they are pricey. Only Tesla has even come close to making a viable electric car. We don’t need an electric Ineos. We need a diesel that isn’t choked down by absurd smog emission controls.

 

[WJG-GMT II]

Hydrogen testing (here's a thread) has been on going for about a year and a half (and ran at the Goodwood Festival of Speed this past year). Given Ineos' large involvement in Hydrogen, that is one direction they are focusing themselves.

While specifics are few and far between (at least in the public eye), the non-ICE model is expected for MY2027 I believe, and has been rumored to be on a smaller chassis, specifically to meet CAFE requirements, and not as a replacement to the Grenadier.

Beyond that is all speculation at this point, but there are a handful of threads on the forum already about it

Years ago, Bob Lazar made a Corvette run on hydrogen. It surely can be done, but probably best for localized heavy commercial vehicles with dedicated fueling ports.

 

[Jeremy996]

I fail to understand the fascination with hydrogen for powering a car; if you have cheap electricity, a BEV, (Battery Electric Vehicle), will turn around 90% of the energy into useful movement. If you convert an ICE engine to burn hydrogen, you get ICE efficiency, so about 30% at best. If you use a hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicle, like a Toyota Mirai or Riversimple, https://www.riversimple.com/, roundabout energy efficiency, (electric to H2 to electric to motion!) is around 30%, just like an ICE!

Now there is an edge case for H2, for heavy plant and vehicles that are used 24/7/365 and using green H2, but green H2 is more of a laboratory experiment at the moment and the infrastructure is more underdeveloped that the BEV network. For Ineos Automotive, a fuel cell BEV would make sense on any site with bulk hydrogen, (and there are a few, Ineos is a chemical company after all), but the cynical, me included, see it more as a boondoggle to confuse simple politicians and big-up the fossil fuel industry.

(I have a small investment in Riversimple, as they have an interesting approach to personal transport).