270 degree Foxwing awning with NO roof rack????

bigleonski said:

Nice improvisation. How do you bookmark threads again??

Are those arms just resting on the lip of the gutter though? Shame they aren’t secured more like roofrack arms for extra support and stability. Particularly given the gutters seem to be fairly flexible at the edges.

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AlanJ said:

Here is my first go at a build post, feel free to read and follow my process, or just skip ahead to the pictures

Since seeing the original designs I was very interested in the addition of the side tie down rails on the roof of the grenadier. This with the ability for the roof to take some load was a big factor back when I decided to put my deposit down as this to me would cover 90% of my needs should I be able to find a way to mount my foxwing without a roofrack in place.

Initially I found some brackets that looked plausible from and American supplier who made similar for fj cruiser style roof racks, these were around $200 plus shipping.
I also looked to black sheep as they had proven the side roof rails to indeed be load rated / capable. The high lift jack mounts they have looked perfect to be fair, however the $500 plus shipping to land them in Sydney Australia was a bit too much for me to risk it should it not work as needed.

Then a few weeks ago the soultion came to me in the from of Rhino Rack themselves.
They offer a new modular system called “Stow It”
It starts as a base pack of 4 legs with additional pieces to then be purchase as needed.

I went to a local bcf where the staff were most kind in allowing me to check if my theory would worth with one of the stow it brackets out in the car park.

I almost couldn’t believe it but it seemed to my eye to no only fit and not foul or rub on anything but to actually fit being supported on the side of the roof gutter and remain level!!!

Happy enough I took the plunge and purchased the base kit “SSIT” and the additional awning adapter 2 pack “BSIT”

Next stop was to Bunnings to find a suitable ubolt.
The tie down rail is 25mm in diameter but after a quick test fit in store the 26 and even 28mm u bolts didn’t quite fit into the stow it bracket. I then found the solution in the form of Taskmaster 51 x 28.4mm 316 Stainless Steel U Bolt. Yes the 0.4mm extra made all the difference. They are not an easy bolt to find in stock and I had to go to 3 stores to finally get 4 of them. Note: only needed 2 for the awning side and used the other 2 to mount up another rhino rack item from my past vehicle.

Getting home I got straight into it and decided on the mounting points for each bracket. The gap between was approx 910-915mm which spread the load evenly enough and didn’t cover or restrict access to the roof power points.
When mounting the brackets to the car I also purchased some spring washers to help raise up the nuts enough to allow space to tighten them, I setted with 1 washer closest to the roof and 3 closet to the awning. The actual job was a very easy and fast one with the help of an 11mm spanner and Something to
Stand on helps.

Taking the new BSIT brackets I mounted them to the foxwing and with some quick measurements I decided I wanted the rear of the awning to be a few cm past the back of the car, the idea being it would allow the awning to open in full and not snag the rear doors but still be close enough to ideally provide a near 100% waterproof cover above the rear when setup.

Once the brackets locations were trippled measured checked and tightened I lifted the foxwing up to see it it would fit. All looked good so I added the top bolt onto each mount to secure the foxwing and set it up.

The foxwing setup as easily as usual and once the supporting poles were added the rear doors could be opened and apart from a bit of the foxwing fabric nothing hit or got in the way.

For less than $250 I have a better than I could have imagined outcome that if / as needed I can add and remove the awning. Even when mounted the tie down points are easily accessible behind to still tie down a swag and so on.

I tried to take as many pictures along the way and when all was proven and done, I couldn’t help but just stand and admire the results.
The foxwing fits like factory with no clearance issues with the biggest bonus of all being that it added zero additional height to the vehicle.

Hopefully the above process makes sense and the pics can tell the rest of the story. Comments and questions welcomed.

Cheers

Alan

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bigleonski said:

How do you bookmark threads again??

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AnD3rew said:

Nice idea, would be interested to see how it holds up on a corrugated road etc. I have used the Stow It for mine, but attached to the roof bars, not the rails.

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AlanJ said:

Here is my first go at a build post, feel free to read and follow my process, or just skip ahead to the pictures

Since seeing the original designs I was very interested in the addition of the side tie down rails on the roof of the grenadier. This with the ability for the roof to take some load was a big factor back when I decided to put my deposit down as this to me would cover 90% of my needs should I be able to find a way to mount my foxwing without a roofrack in place.

Initially I found some brackets that looked plausible from and American supplier who made similar for fj cruiser style roof racks, these were around $200 plus shipping.
I also looked to black sheep as they had proven the side roof rails to indeed be load rated / capable. The high lift jack mounts they have looked perfect to be fair, however the $500 plus shipping to land them in Sydney Australia was a bit too much for me to risk it should it not work as needed.

Then a few weeks ago the soultion came to me in the from of Rhino Rack themselves.
They offer a new modular system called “Stow It”
It starts as a base pack of 4 legs with additional pieces to then be purchase as needed.

I went to a local bcf where the staff were most kind in allowing me to check if my theory would worth with one of the stow it brackets out in the car park.

I almost couldn’t believe it but it seemed to my eye to no only fit and not foul or rub on anything but to actually fit being supported on the side of the roof gutter and remain level!!!

Happy enough I took the plunge and purchased the base kit “SSIT” and the additional awning adapter 2 pack “BSIT”

Next stop was to Bunnings to find a suitable ubolt.
The tie down rail is 25mm in diameter but after a quick test fit in store the 26 and even 28mm u bolts didn’t quite fit into the stow it bracket. I then found the solution in the form of Taskmaster 51 x 28.4mm 316 Stainless Steel U Bolt. Yes the 0.4mm extra made all the difference. They are not an easy bolt to find in stock and I had to go to 3 stores to finally get 4 of them. Note: only needed 2 for the awning side and used the other 2 to mount up another rhino rack item from my past vehicle.

Getting home I got straight into it and decided on the mounting points for each bracket. The gap between was approx 910-915mm which spread the load evenly enough and didn’t cover or restrict access to the roof power points.
When mounting the brackets to the car I also purchased some spring washers to help raise up the nuts enough to allow space to tighten them, I setted with 1 washer closest to the roof and 3 closet to the awning. The actual job was a very easy and fast one with the help of an 11mm spanner and Something to
Stand on helps.

Taking the new BSIT brackets I mounted them to the foxwing and with some quick measurements I decided I wanted the rear of the awning to be a few cm past the back of the car, the idea being it would allow the awning to open in full and not snag the rear doors but still be close enough to ideally provide a near 100% waterproof cover above the rear when setup.

Once the brackets locations were trippled measured checked and tightened I lifted the foxwing up to see it it would fit. All looked good so I added the top bolt onto each mount to secure the foxwing and set it up.

The foxwing setup as easily as usual and once the supporting poles were added the rear doors could be opened and apart from a bit of the foxwing fabric nothing hit or got in the way.

For less than $250 I have a better than I could have imagined outcome that if / as needed I can add and remove the awning. Even when mounted the tie down points are easily accessible behind to still tie down a swag and so on.

I tried to take as many pictures along the way and when all was proven and done, I couldn’t help but just stand and admire the results.
The foxwing fits like factory with no clearance issues with the biggest bonus of all being that it added zero additional height to the vehicle.

Hopefully the above process makes sense and the pics can tell the rest of the story. Comments and questions welcomed.

Cheers

Alan

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Jetjockey said:

Thank you for this great build post. I was going to get the "Swiss Solution" when I discovered your post.
All the blacksheep gear I've seen so far is of paramount quality, but I have the factory roof bars as well (not planning to use them often since they keep the car out of the garage) and the rhino kit is of double use here.

Still need to find the u-bolts, so if a fellow reader from Germany is reading this, I'd be grateful for a hint.

@AlanJ : How do you attach the end of the awning to the car so it stays securely open? I'm getting an Ostrich 270° awning from bigcountry4x4 (SA) and they usually use a metal hook you bolt to the roof bar / rack where you hook the last strut into. One could always use an elastic strap and hook it to the tie down rail on the other side, but you might have a better solution already. The Foxwing might not have that though, never saw one.

Thank you again and y'all have a great weekend.

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AlanJ said:

Here is my first go at a build post, feel free to read and follow my process, or just skip ahead to the pictures

Since seeing the original designs I was very interested in the addition of the side tie down rails on the roof of the grenadier. This with the ability for the roof to take some load was a big factor back when I decided to put my deposit down as this to me would cover 90% of my needs should I be able to find a way to mount my foxwing without a roofrack in place.

Initially I found some brackets that looked plausible from and American supplier who made similar for fj cruiser style roof racks, these were around $200 plus shipping.
I also looked to black sheep as they had proven the side roof rails to indeed be load rated / capable. The high lift jack mounts they have looked perfect to be fair, however the $500 plus shipping to land them in Sydney Australia was a bit too much for me to risk it should it not work as needed.

Then a few weeks ago the soultion came to me in the from of Rhino Rack themselves.
They offer a new modular system called “Stow It”
It starts as a base pack of 4 legs with additional pieces to then be purchase as needed.

I went to a local bcf where the staff were most kind in allowing me to check if my theory would worth with one of the stow it brackets out in the car park.

I almost couldn’t believe it but it seemed to my eye to no only fit and not foul or rub on anything but to actually fit being supported on the side of the roof gutter and remain level!!!

Happy enough I took the plunge and purchased the base kit “SSIT” and the additional awning adapter 2 pack “BSIT”

Next stop was to Bunnings to find a suitable ubolt.
The tie down rail is 25mm in diameter but after a quick test fit in store the 26 and even 28mm u bolts didn’t quite fit into the stow it bracket. I then found the solution in the form of Taskmaster 51 x 28.4mm 316 Stainless Steel U Bolt. Yes the 0.4mm extra made all the difference. They are not an easy bolt to find in stock and I had to go to 3 stores to finally get 4 of them. Note: only needed 2 for the awning side and used the other 2 to mount up another rhino rack item from my past vehicle.

Getting home I got straight into it and decided on the mounting points for each bracket. The gap between was approx 910-915mm which spread the load evenly enough and didn’t cover or restrict access to the roof power points.
When mounting the brackets to the car I also purchased some spring washers to help raise up the nuts enough to allow space to tighten them, I setted with 1 washer closest to the roof and 3 closet to the awning. The actual job was a very easy and fast one with the help of an 11mm spanner and Something to
Stand on helps.

Taking the new BSIT brackets I mounted them to the foxwing and with some quick measurements I decided I wanted the rear of the awning to be a few cm past the back of the car, the idea being it would allow the awning to open in full and not snag the rear doors but still be close enough to ideally provide a near 100% waterproof cover above the rear when setup.

Once the brackets locations were trippled measured checked and tightened I lifted the foxwing up to see it it would fit. All looked good so I added the top bolt onto each mount to secure the foxwing and set it up.

The foxwing setup as easily as usual and once the supporting poles were added the rear doors could be opened and apart from a bit of the foxwing fabric nothing hit or got in the way.

For less than $250 I have a better than I could have imagined outcome that if / as needed I can add and remove the awning. Even when mounted the tie down points are easily accessible behind to still tie down a swag and so on.

I tried to take as many pictures along the way and when all was proven and done, I couldn’t help but just stand and admire the results.
The foxwing fits like factory with no clearance issues with the biggest bonus of all being that it added zero additional height to the vehicle.

Hopefully the above process makes sense and the pics can tell the rest of the story. Comments and questions welcomed.

Cheers

Alan

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AlanJ said:

Here is my first go at a build post, feel free to read and follow my process, or just skip ahead to the pictures

Since seeing the original designs I was very interested in the addition of the side tie down rails on the roof of the grenadier. This with the ability for the roof to take some load was a big factor back when I decided to put my deposit down as this to me would cover 90% of my needs should I be able to find a way to mount my foxwing without a roofrack in place.

Initially I found some brackets that looked plausible from and American supplier who made similar for fj cruiser style roof racks, these were around $200 plus shipping.
I also looked to black sheep as they had proven the side roof rails to indeed be load rated / capable. The high lift jack mounts they have looked perfect to be fair, however the $500 plus shipping to land them in Sydney Australia was a bit too much for me to risk it should it not work as needed.

Then a few weeks ago the soultion came to me in the from of Rhino Rack themselves.
They offer a new modular system called “Stow It”
It starts as a base pack of 4 legs with additional pieces to then be purchase as needed.

I went to a local bcf where the staff were most kind in allowing me to check if my theory would worth with one of the stow it brackets out in the car park.

I almost couldn’t believe it but it seemed to my eye to no only fit and not foul or rub on anything but to actually fit being supported on the side of the roof gutter and remain level!!!

Happy enough I took the plunge and purchased the base kit “SSIT” and the additional awning adapter 2 pack “BSIT”

Next stop was to Bunnings to find a suitable ubolt.
The tie down rail is 25mm in diameter but after a quick test fit in store the 26 and even 28mm u bolts didn’t quite fit into the stow it bracket. I then found the solution in the form of Taskmaster 51 x 28.4mm 316 Stainless Steel U Bolt. Yes the 0.4mm extra made all the difference. They are not an easy bolt to find in stock and I had to go to 3 stores to finally get 4 of them. Note: only needed 2 for the awning side and used the other 2 to mount up another rhino rack item from my past vehicle.

Getting home I got straight into it and decided on the mounting points for each bracket. The gap between was approx 910-915mm which spread the load evenly enough and didn’t cover or restrict access to the roof power points.
When mounting the brackets to the car I also purchased some spring washers to help raise up the nuts enough to allow space to tighten them, I setted with 1 washer closest to the roof and 3 closet to the awning. The actual job was a very easy and fast one with the help of an 11mm spanner and Something to
Stand on helps.

Taking the new BSIT brackets I mounted them to the foxwing and with some quick measurements I decided I wanted the rear of the awning to be a few cm past the back of the car, the idea being it would allow the awning to open in full and not snag the rear doors but still be close enough to ideally provide a near 100% waterproof cover above the rear when setup.

Once the brackets locations were trippled measured checked and tightened I lifted the foxwing up to see it it would fit. All looked good so I added the top bolt onto each mount to secure the foxwing and set it up.

The foxwing setup as easily as usual and once the supporting poles were added the rear doors could be opened and apart from a bit of the foxwing fabric nothing hit or got in the way.

For less than $250 I have a better than I could have imagined outcome that if / as needed I can add and remove the awning. Even when mounted the tie down points are easily accessible behind to still tie down a swag and so on.

I tried to take as many pictures along the way and when all was proven and done, I couldn’t help but just stand and admire the results.
The foxwing fits like factory with no clearance issues with the biggest bonus of all being that it added zero additional height to the vehicle.

Hopefully the above process makes sense and the pics can tell the rest of the story. Comments and questions welcomed.

Cheers

Alan

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HT said:

Gday Alan,
Mate now that you’re a month down the track, how’s this set up going? Any further advice for a young player? I’m about to follows your post to the letter.

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AlanJ said:

Here is my first go at a build post, feel free to read and follow my process, or just skip ahead to the pictures

Since seeing the original designs I was very interested in the addition of the side tie down rails on the roof of the grenadier. This with the ability for the roof to take some load was a big factor back when I decided to put my deposit down as this to me would cover 90% of my needs should I be able to find a way to mount my foxwing without a roofrack in place.

Initially I found some brackets that looked plausible from and American supplier who made similar for fj cruiser style roof racks, these were around $200 plus shipping.
I also looked to black sheep as they had proven the side roof rails to indeed be load rated / capable. The high lift jack mounts they have looked perfect to be fair, however the $500 plus shipping to land them in Sydney Australia was a bit too much for me to risk it should it not work as needed.

Then a few weeks ago the soultion came to me in the from of Rhino Rack themselves.
They offer a new modular system called “Stow It”
It starts as a base pack of 4 legs with additional pieces to then be purchase as needed.

I went to a local bcf where the staff were most kind in allowing me to check if my theory would worth with one of the stow it brackets out in the car park.

I almost couldn’t believe it but it seemed to my eye to no only fit and not foul or rub on anything but to actually fit being supported on the side of the roof gutter and remain level!!!

Happy enough I took the plunge and purchased the base kit “SSIT” and the additional awning adapter 2 pack “BSIT”

Next stop was to Bunnings to find a suitable ubolt.
The tie down rail is 25mm in diameter but after a quick test fit in store the 26 and even 28mm u bolts didn’t quite fit into the stow it bracket. I then found the solution in the form of Taskmaster 51 x 28.4mm 316 Stainless Steel U Bolt. Yes the 0.4mm extra made all the difference. They are not an easy bolt to find in stock and I had to go to 3 stores to finally get 4 of them. Note: only needed 2 for the awning side and used the other 2 to mount up another rhino rack item from my past vehicle.

Getting home I got straight into it and decided on the mounting points for each bracket. The gap between was approx 910-915mm which spread the load evenly enough and didn’t cover or restrict access to the roof power points.
When mounting the brackets to the car I also purchased some spring washers to help raise up the nuts enough to allow space to tighten them, I setted with 1 washer closest to the roof and 3 closet to the awning. The actual job was a very easy and fast one with the help of an 11mm spanner and Something to
Stand on helps.

Taking the new BSIT brackets I mounted them to the foxwing and with some quick measurements I decided I wanted the rear of the awning to be a few cm past the back of the car, the idea being it would allow the awning to open in full and not snag the rear doors but still be close enough to ideally provide a near 100% waterproof cover above the rear when setup.

Once the brackets locations were trippled measured checked and tightened I lifted the foxwing up to see it it would fit. All looked good so I added the top bolt onto each mount to secure the foxwing and set it up.

The foxwing setup as easily as usual and once the supporting poles were added the rear doors could be opened and apart from a bit of the foxwing fabric nothing hit or got in the way.

For less than $250 I have a better than I could have imagined outcome that if / as needed I can add and remove the awning. Even when mounted the tie down points are easily accessible behind to still tie down a swag and so on.

I tried to take as many pictures along the way and when all was proven and done, I couldn’t help but just stand and admire the results.
The foxwing fits like factory with no clearance issues with the biggest bonus of all being that it added zero additional height to the vehicle.

Hopefully the above process makes sense and the pics can tell the rest of the story. Comments and questions welcomed.

Cheers

Alan

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Jetjockey said:

Unfortunately, I don't have the full rack to try them out. The black bracket on the pictures is the "Stow It" Base Bracket from Rhino and the Stow It range is compatible with the Rhino Pioneer platform, which I believe is what Ineos sells.You might find further proof here: https://www.rhinorack.com/en-us/stow-it

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Jetjockey said:

As I couldn't find the matching u-bolts in Germany, I'd a set of brackets made from stainless steel.
UnfortunateIy, won't find the time to fit the awning this year. However, someone might have the same problem finding fitting u-bolts, so I just thought I show you guys.
As I plan to use the same protective film I used on the door sills on the roof handles, there is an extra 2/10mm allowance all around the inside of the bracket.
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AlanJ said:

Here is my first go at a build post, feel free to read and follow my process, or just skip ahead to the pictures

Since seeing the original designs I was very interested in the addition of the side tie down rails on the roof of the grenadier. This with the ability for the roof to take some load was a big factor back when I decided to put my deposit down as this to me would cover 90% of my needs should I be able to find a way to mount my foxwing without a roofrack in place.

Initially I found some brackets that looked plausible from and American supplier who made similar for fj cruiser style roof racks, these were around $200 plus shipping.
I also looked to black sheep as they had proven the side roof rails to indeed be load rated / capable. The high lift jack mounts they have looked perfect to be fair, however the $500 plus shipping to land them in Sydney Australia was a bit too much for me to risk it should it not work as needed.

Then a few weeks ago the soultion came to me in the from of Rhino Rack themselves.
They offer a new modular system called “Stow It”
It starts as a base pack of 4 legs with additional pieces to then be purchase as needed.

I went to a local bcf where the staff were most kind in allowing me to check if my theory would worth with one of the stow it brackets out in the car park.

I almost couldn’t believe it but it seemed to my eye to no only fit and not foul or rub on anything but to actually fit being supported on the side of the roof gutter and remain level!!!

Happy enough I took the plunge and purchased the base kit “SSIT” and the additional awning adapter 2 pack “BSIT”

Next stop was to Bunnings to find a suitable ubolt.
The tie down rail is 25mm in diameter but after a quick test fit in store the 26 and even 28mm u bolts didn’t quite fit into the stow it bracket. I then found the solution in the form of Taskmaster 51 x 28.4mm 316 Stainless Steel U Bolt. Yes the 0.4mm extra made all the difference. They are not an easy bolt to find in stock and I had to go to 3 stores to finally get 4 of them. Note: only needed 2 for the awning side and used the other 2 to mount up another rhino rack item from my past vehicle.

Getting home I got straight into it and decided on the mounting points for each bracket. The gap between was approx 910-915mm which spread the load evenly enough and didn’t cover or restrict access to the roof power points.
When mounting the brackets to the car I also purchased some spring washers to help raise up the nuts enough to allow space to tighten them, I setted with 1 washer closest to the roof and 3 closet to the awning. The actual job was a very easy and fast one with the help of an 11mm spanner and Something to
Stand on helps.

Taking the new BSIT brackets I mounted them to the foxwing and with some quick measurements I decided I wanted the rear of the awning to be a few cm past the back of the car, the idea being it would allow the awning to open in full and not snag the rear doors but still be close enough to ideally provide a near 100% waterproof cover above the rear when setup.

Once the brackets locations were trippled measured checked and tightened I lifted the foxwing up to see it it would fit. All looked good so I added the top bolt onto each mount to secure the foxwing and set it up.

The foxwing setup as easily as usual and once the supporting poles were added the rear doors could be opened and apart from a bit of the foxwing fabric nothing hit or got in the way.

For less than $250 I have a better than I could have imagined outcome that if / as needed I can add and remove the awning. Even when mounted the tie down points are easily accessible behind to still tie down a swag and so on.

I tried to take as many pictures along the way and when all was proven and done, I couldn’t help but just stand and admire the results.
The foxwing fits like factory with no clearance issues with the biggest bonus of all being that it added zero additional height to the vehicle.

Hopefully the above process makes sense and the pics can tell the rest of the story. Comments and questions welcomed.

Cheers

Alan

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