My sons have used Waze exclusively for years, but just this weekend said it’s not nearly as reliable due to speed trap spoofs. So 10 speed traps show up, but maybe 1 is real.
I use Waze only for "ordinary moves": work, family, short unusual movements.
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Perfectly valid to prefer the new defender. It’s going to sell more, it’s less of a niche car.
for all the Waze feedback. 
Also you can download Google maps for offline use. Finally onxoffroad can be run off your car screen in AA
As I'm all in with a new Android phone, new 50Gb data package, an AA Wireless android dongle and best friends with my local Amazon delivery driver with case protectors, screen protectors, fast data charging cables, USB A to C converter cables, female to female adaptors, I'll give this a go too!
I also bought one, and installed it last week, works as a charm. Pity that I can't place it neatly somewhere hidden, instead of in this stupid USB-C location in the central cubby box!
an AA Wireless android dongle ...
I don’t know mate. I normally connect my phone with a cable to keep it charged up as it is an old iPhone 10. The maps work well either connected or bluetooth but I don’t have Waze.
Yes, will be rerouting the cuppy box usbs for reasons stated here, maybe using something like below but there are optional connectors on the back of these fittings available (depending on the rear connector of the cubby box usbs). Has anyone seen the rear connection of the 'cubby box' usbs by chance?
I totally get the update issue. For me, LR has offered "updates" - I think for about $100. This would have updated my NAV mapping routes. Although I think that pricing is fair, I still haven't done it as most of the "new" roads are small and I don't think I need it.
Apple Carplay uses wifi, so I assume Android does as well.
My car is a 2014 model and we currently have 330 major road/rail projects taking place in my state.
sounds all good! do post pics when you get it delivered! I am betwix and between as they say. Massachusetts will eventually get a dealership, so I will test a Grenadier out when they arrive. I don't blame Grenadier in the least for skipping MA on their roadshow, as admittedly we're not a first or even second market for them; many purchases will be more "lifestyle" than actual off-road living. The number of Jeep Wrangler Rubicons by a beach - any and all of our beaches - is crazy, and yet what exactly are they doing? Other than parking by the beach, of course. The biggest obstacle around us is likely snow, and folks in ME will surely buy some of these. Same for VT ski folks - why take a risk of getting stuck in the snow when you can drive a Grenadier!? I agree the exterior styling of Grenadier is fantastic. Over at ND, it turns out that the "glass pane" exterior has to do with future electrification goals. Making a ND appear like a RR silhouette didn't seem attractive to me, but then I read how wavy panels with bulges and protruding sections creates "drag," and maybe that's why JLR styled the exterior of ND as they did. I love the interior of ND, but the outside is not attractive, and this is why I found the exterior Grenadier looks so awesome. If I do go for a Grenadier, I'll keep my small LR for a back up, just in case.
well said, and can't wait to test one. MA is not high on Grenadier list, as we're mostly "lifestyle" buyers. We should have a dealership by September and then I can try one out. I agree that Ineos is about differentiating. I also agree with the basic need for durability, which Ineos hit out of the park. Many SUVs probably roll off the assembly with smaller, lighter parts, saving weight and improving gas MPG. Grenadier went opposite, strengthening the parts and adding reinforcements, and thus adding weight and lowering MPG. I love that about Grenadier. Although US is likely to be a small part of Ineos, I think Ineos gave many global markets an awesome choice. If I were to bet, I'd bet the pickup will do better than the SUV here, as the US loves pickups.
Yes android does as well, that was my point if the dongle is communicating via Bluetooth then that is a much slower speed than wifi. Hence I'm not so sure some apps may struggle at the slower speeds
Hicarus and I have just wasted two hours each of our lives trying to get this to work on a Galaxy A12 and his Grenadier. No usable instructions or explanations exist and the process of connecting is fraught with blind alleys and non-existent parameters that we are advised to change/confirm. Total jungle of obfuscation; sadly the device is going back…
I get a lot of hire cars for work. I have the latest Google pixel phone and it fails to work properly in about 25% of vehicles. Usually Toyota's are the worst culprits! And you would think a Pixel would be the one phone that should work everywhere
