Hello from Shropshire.

Hi all. Sela Green Trialmaster on order, supposedly arriving Jan/Feb. Black roof, 18 inch Steels, Safari Windows, Heated Seats, Standard Interior, Side Steps. Very much looking forward to collection day.

Welcome aboard. It sounds like a nice spec, but I must ask, have you seen the green with white roof? Stunning!

I have, it’s a good look! When I ordered, a white roof wasn’t an option. I figured the black would give it a little more aggression.

Hgreg91 said:

I have, it’s a good look! When I ordered, a white roof wasn’t an option. I figured the black would give it a little more aggression.

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Sela Green and Inky Black roof for me too

Will look to wrap the left rear door and add black chequer plate to the front wings as well

ECrider said:

Sela Green and Inky Black roof for me too

Will look to wrap the left rear door and add black chequer plate to the front wings as well

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Excellent choice. Good idea with the wrap and chequer plate. I might be inclined to do the same.

I've hemmed and hawed about the checker plate - I really am not font of the form but do welcome the function. One note about aftermarket plating was mentioned in another thread - apparently the factory spec'd setup involves extra support in the wings. I'll find the thread and link it when I do.

Krabby said:

I've hemmed and hawed about the checker plate - I really am not font of the form but do welcome the function. One note about aftermarket plating was mentioned in another thread - apparently the factory spec'd setup involves extra support in the wings. I'll find the thread and link it when I do.

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That’s good to know. This doesn’t seem to be an option on the UK configurator.

Apparently UK isn't getting them because of a safety thing. Check out this thread: THREAD

The checker plate is made from a hard plastic which you can stand on but shatters in a crash.
The aluminium didn't pass vehicle testing as it can come of and go through the windscreen

Hgreg91 said:

Hi all. Sela Green Trialmaster on order, supposedly arriving Jan/Feb. Black roof, 18 inch Steels, Safari Windows, Heated Seats, Standard Interior, Side Steps. Very much looking forward to collection day.

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That is on the very short list of colours for me. No Safari Windows and add a winch all else the same. I cannot wait to see pictures of your truck. Welcome.

DaveB said:

The checker plate is made from a hard plastic which you can stand on but shatters in a crash.
The aluminium didn't pass vehicle testing as it can come of and go through the windscreen

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If the wings crumple like this then it's easy to imagine the chequerplate fixings shearing:

DCPU said:

If the wings crumple like this then it's easy to imagine the chequerplate fixings shearing:
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Yes I could see them popping and flying away
They particularly said flying through the windscreen so I assume it may have actually happened or gone close

@DCPU thank you for publishing this crash test picture - exactly that I was looking for. also perhaps offset and side impact.
What I see here looks very promising. The persons are far away from crash zone. and doors, roof and anything after front axle seems in shape - this means doors can be opened and passengers can exit.

The worst for a vehicle of a brand just entering the market is a bad rating in crash test.

klarie said:

The worst for a vehicle of a brand just entering the market is a bad rating in crash test.

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European crash test standards I guess, although, pollution standard could be circumvented by software patches ( )

klarie said:

@DCPU thank you for publishing this crash test picture - exactly that I was looking for. also perhaps offset and side impact.
What I see here looks very promising. The persons are far away from crash zone. and doors, roof and anything after front axle seems in shape - this means doors can be opened and passengers can exit.

The worst for a vehicle of a brand just entering the market is a bad rating in crash test.

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Hopefully the test has been done with high enough speed!

DCPU said:

If the wings crumple like this then it's easy to imagine the chequerplate fixings shearing:
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Are there any more threads on crash testing? Intrigued by this.

Not that I know, but you can see some video's on the Ineos Grenadier website, where that image comes from by the way

This is in German .. perhaps someone can translate it.
DEKRA
Most of the tests are standard type - w. speed impacts of 10km/h 15 km/h and side impact (eg up to 60 km/h)

The crashes are against both deformable and indeformable obstructions simulating another car, wall, tree
If somebody says this is to low in speed if a person is in control of a vehicle it will try to use brakes and everything to minimize impact.
So most realistic impacts are at rather lower speeds. - The case of full speed collision is rather "rare".
In case of a full speed or high speed collision -there is very little what can be done. - Not current available restraint system or
tank like internal structure of a vehicle can "guarantee" to prevent a serious injury or death to passengers & driver
because of inertial law.
Even if a helmet is worn, neck protect and a 6 point belt + airbag.
There can be internal ruptures in organs etc.
Any of the classic collision tests represent or simulate only typical collision accidents as they occur most.
I know there were in the past certain design flaws - (Mercedes Benz "Ponton" 1950/60 - the car was solid, no technical crash zone.)
Survived even a collision against a tree. But driver and passenger were dead (broken neck)
because of no seat belt, no head / neckrest and other missing safety features. There was a bad joke "driver dead but car suffered no damages"
Later Mercedes Benz were one of the first to introduce "softer zones" to absorb kinetic energy.

When in Aufenau - I had a close look under the bonnet of IG . and the way engine . radiator and supporting elements are aligned as well as position of persons inside.
So, in total neither from front, rear or side impact there is in my opinion no obvious design flaw. (If you look e.g on older Mitsubishi L300 Minivans you see without being an automotive engineer there is very little distance between vehicle and drivers knees - no crash zone - and at rear - 3rd row - is close to rear window) There is very little imagination necessary what would happen.

So a collision in IG with a car or vehicle of same size or even a smaller van should be survivable under normal circumstances. - Any big one like a 10 Ton plus truck or hgv .. that 0.5 * M(kg) * v^2 (m/s^2) = Joules
E.g. a 40 Ton truck - at a bit less than 30 km/h 8m/s = 0.5* 40000*64 = 1,280,000 Joule 1.28MJ ( a 9mm Luger round produces a E0 muzzle-energy 350J-500J)
So.. no matter what crash test..

klarie said:

@DCPU thank you for publishing this crash test picture - exactly that I was looking for. also perhaps offset and side impact.

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klarie said:

This is in German .. perhaps someone can translate it.
DEKRA
Most of the tests are standard type - w. speed impacts of 10km/h 15 km/h and side impact (eg up to 60 km/h)

The crashes are against both deformable and indeformable obstructions simulating another car, wall, tree
If somebody says this is to low in speed if a person is in control of a vehicle it will try to use brakes and everything to minimize impact.
So most realistic impacts are at rather lower speeds. - The case of full speed collision is rather "rare".
In case of a full speed or high speed collision -there is very little what can be done. - Not current available restraint system or
tank like internal structure of a vehicle can "guarantee" to prevent a serious injury or death to passengers & driver
because of inertial law.
Even if a helmet is worn, neck protect and a 6 point belt + airbag.
There can be internal ruptures in organs etc.
Any of the classic collision tests represent or simulate only typical collision accidents as they occur most.
I know there were in the past certain design flaws - (Mercedes Benz "Ponton" 1950/60 - the car was solid, no technical crash zone.)
Survived even a collision against a tree. But driver and passenger were dead (broken neck)
because of no seat belt, no head / neckrest and other missing safety features. There was a bad joke "driver dead but car suffered no damages"
Later Mercedes Benz were one of the first to introduce "softer zones" to absorb kinetic energy.

When in Aufenau - I had a close look under the bonnet of IG . and the way engine . radiator and supporting elements are aligned as well as position of persons inside.
So, in total neither from front, rear or side impact there is in my opinion no obvious design flaw. (If you look e.g on older Mitsubishi L300 Minivans you see without being an automotive engineer there is very little distance between vehicle and drivers knees - no crash zone - and at rear - 3rd row - is close to rear window) There is very little imagination necessary what would happen.

So a collision in IG with a car or vehicle of same size or even a smaller van should be survivable under normal circumstances. - Any big one like a 10 Ton plus truck or hgv .. that 0.5 * M(kg) * v^2 (m/s^2) = Joules
E.g. a 40 Ton truck - at a bit less than 30 km/h 8m/s = 0.5* 40000*64 = 1,280,000 Joule 1.28MJ ( a 9mm Luger round produces a E0 muzzle-energy 350J-500J)
So.. no matter what crash test..

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the frontal crash tests are done with a speed of 50 km/h.
Here everybody can have a look about the procedure: